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RayF
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Mar 21, 2018
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I have no patience for all this voting mumbo-jumbo--I voted for the Jotonheim with my wallet! Just got word it shipped today with the Gen 2 DAC upgrade ;- )
Mar 21, 2018
Evil_Paroxysm
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Mar 23, 2018
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Been using mine since Tuesday with that new multibit DAC upgrade, top notch. Really amazing all in one unit, especially for the price point and utilizing balanced ins and outs!
Mar 23, 2018
RayF
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Mar 25, 2018
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Mine was delivered the day after I left for a business trip. Looking forward to firing it up when I get back.
Mar 25, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 11, 2018
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What a real shame, you should have gone with a DX7. Schiit products measure poorly, check on audiosciencereview.
Apr 11, 2018
RayF
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Apr 12, 2018
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"A real shame"? You must have a lower threshold of shameful, than me?
I'm enjoying the Schiit out of my Jotunheim, thanks.
Have to tell you, I'm not the kind who's easily influenced by reviews, measurements or comments from MDroppers. Perhaps if you had loaned me both copies of the units you question vs recommend--and an A/B switch, I might have seen you're point. Absent that, I'm inclined to go with my ears, over a chart.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but the first dozen comments I read on the last DX7 drop weren't exactly stellar (you don't work for them do you?).
One thing I do care about is recourse with the manufacturer--Schiit lives here. I don't want deal with a Chinese website (or manual), when I have questions or need support--not for the dough we pay for these things. Second point--I'm a Mac user, so I'm a big supporter of items produced by mfgs who get "plug and play." Schiit seems too. Ya' feel me?
"Drivers? We-don-need-no-estink'n-drivers!
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Apr 12, 2018
Evil_Paroxysm
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Apr 12, 2018
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Both the Jotunheim and DX7 have pros and cons
DX7: Remote, digital readout, additional digital inputs (other than Jot's single USB-B)
Jot: Much better output impedance, massively more amp power, more analog inputs (and balanced XLR on top of that)
Both will do well for different needs, I personally think the Jotunheim is the better unit, though more expensive.
For me I needed the extra inputs the Jotunheim offers, and being a desktop system I don't need a remote. I do have a Topping D10 on the way that I was originally going to put head to head with a Schiit Modi 2 Uber, but then decided to go with the Jot as the all in one option.
I'll be making a similar setup to my current one for a buddy here soon using that Topping D10, and a Schiit SYS I have sitting here outputting to another pair of JBL LSR305's.
Apr 12, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 12, 2018
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Schiit products just measure so poorly.... also the DX7 has real balanced output, and dual dac chips in dual mono configuration. DX7 also has spdif output and aes input. while the jot has more power, there is literally no use for it. there is no headphone requiring 1.8w of the DX7 balanced.... Barely any that even need 600ma of the single ended.
Apr 12, 2018
Evil_Paroxysm
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Apr 12, 2018
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The Jot has dual DAC chips also, it runs a pair of AK4490's. Jot also has real balanced outputs to the rear, however I believe the headphone amp is linear and ran through 1 transformer.
Measurements don't mean everything either for what it's worth. Topping notoriously measures well but that doesn't mean they perform as well in real world scenarios. You get what you pay for in the end.
I'll pick up a DX7 and see what the difference is sound wise, but I'd be willing to bet they are extremely similar performing. Maybe run it and the Jot through the SYS as my A/B toggle.
Apr 12, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 12, 2018
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Measurements aren't everything, but once you learn how to read graphs you can have an idea of how it will/should sound. The issue is that with many Schiit products (Jot hasn't been tested) their distortion and bits of resolution dips into the very audible spectrum of sound.
I would venture that the two do perform similarly in real world scenarios. But then the DX7 has the added features + remote. before I had a DX7 I had the modi multibit, SMSL M8 and Topping D30. I bought the D30 after having a Fulla2. But the Fulla2 sounded narrow and had a click / pop sound frequently which my Fiio K1 didn't have.... The D30 into the Fulla2 sounded much better and then an A30 sounded even better... (but the Fulla 2 driving the A30 sounded worse). modi multibit had the same problem as the Fulla2 and actually it seemed to lack even more detail. At this point in time I was extra confused after reading racing testimonials... Bought the M8 and later the M8a and couldn't tell much of a difference between the D30 and M8. So when the DX7 dropped I saw a sale on ebay and picked it up and haven't looked back.
Fast forward 9 months and all these measurements come out.... And the Schiit products have measured poorly so far, so I think there will be an audible difference in the case of most Schiit products. I am now waiting on measurements of the Jot, since that's something I originally wanted to buy before I had issues with Schiit overall.
Apr 12, 2018
Evil_Paroxysm
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Apr 12, 2018
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I can respect that assessment.
I just went to buy a DX7 just now and it appears it's sold out everywhere and is also $500? I thought it was closer to $300 when it dropped?
Apr 12, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 12, 2018
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DX7 is discontinued and the prices have skyrocketed on the DX7's themselves. But there is a DX7S now which uses dual 9038Q2M instead of 9018K2M and a couple other refinements (but doesn't come with a remote standard, although can use the DX7 remote + other remotes as they released the remote IR codes).
The two measure quite close to each other, with the DX7S and the DX7 trading blows in different tests IIRC. Check the reivew https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-topping-dx7s-dac-and-headphone-amp.2378/ https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-dx7-dac-headphone-amplifier-review-and-measurements.2286/ ^Those are both the reviews
If you go to the "home" page and you go through the feed there, you can see most if not all the reviews done over the last months :)
Apr 12, 2018
RayF
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Apr 12, 2018
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You buy a lot of equipment—you must have a lot of closet space?
Apr 12, 2018
Evil_Paroxysm
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Apr 12, 2018
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I see. I will not being picking one up for the sole purpose of comparing them side by side then. $500 is steep, was looking around $300.
For my personal setup the DX7 doesn't have the inputs I am looking for anyways. It would save me from using a separate cheapo basic $40 DAC that I am currently using to convert the PS4's toslink to RCA, however the lack of any stereo analog inputs would require me to convert my turntables signal and thats not worth it.
To me I'd rather tamper with the PS4's signal than my turntable's signal.
Apr 12, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 12, 2018
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I have a set of cabinets on the wall in my office, one of the cabinets is completely filled with audio gear now... And I'm working on a second one (half built pMillet NuTube Hybrid Amp, some various OpAmps for Rolling, and other misc parts). I bought a bunch of headphones too trying to find what I liked. Basically I learned from discovery and my own testing. I just kept buying different gear to see if there were differences or if things were "so much better" as many reviews suggested. I bought a few RCA cables from $0.30c to $30, bought a couple SPDIF cables for optical and for coax, and a SMSL xUSB to "galvanically isolate" my DAC just to test it. Found that really most everything doesn't make a difference, but some better RCA cables (like those from GhentAudio) have better more solid connections(incase you move your gear), and you can get them in semi-custom sizes that fit and look nice with your DAC (I bought both the standard and 4wire versions)... otherwise I couldn't hear any real difference vs the standard 1.5ft monoprice cables, but vs 50c cheap cables it eliminates hum if the cheap cables are sitting on top of the power cable for the DX7.
So I have a box of various size cables and types of cables, and another box of connectors and adapters. RCA->3.5mm, 3.5MM -> Mono RCA, RCA->XLR, XLR Single -> RCA Single, 3.5mm->6.35mm, 6.35mm->3.5mm, 6.35mm->XLR..
My daily stack is DX7->A30->O2, this is just so that I can have 2 headphones connected without having to swap the DX7 out of DAC-only mode and the O2 is for low impedance headphones that also have impedance response swings which are actually audible. Daily Headphones are mrspeakers Aeon Closed, or Oppo PM-2 w/ PM-1 Pads. Also have Denon AH-MM400, Panasonic RP-HD10, 1More Quad & Triple & Dual drivers, Yamaha YH-2, had the Denon D7200.
I've bought too much stuff imho, and really reselling it is hard. I mailed a bunch of stuff to Amir @ ASR to test as he has time, since I don't really use it much (only for audio meet ups).
Apr 12, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 12, 2018
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Wait to buy it on massdrop, it launched on here for ~300 IIRC. I don't blame you for not wanting to mess with your turntables signal.
Apr 12, 2018
RayF
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Apr 12, 2018
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Perhaps a an Audio 12-Step program might be in order? ;- )
Apr 12, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 12, 2018
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No no I have gotten it under control now. So far this year I have only bought the massdrop THX AAA Amp!
Apr 12, 2018
Evil_Paroxysm
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Apr 13, 2018
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DX7s drop went live an hour ago. Can't commit though lol. Even if its better it doesn't have the inputs I need. I'll consider something higher end in the $1k area in the future for expansion
Apr 13, 2018
Jimster480
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Apr 13, 2018
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Apr 13, 2018
CrazyMarc
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Aug 27, 2018
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audiosciencereview lmao
Aug 27, 2018
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