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dorkvader
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May 14, 2014
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HurkyPanglesyou can get the three or so keys you need as one-offs for pretty cheap.
One of the (many) problems with ISO is that you need like 30 or 40 keyset options to cover them all and that raises prices significantly.
Also, if you include options for one country, but dare to leave out another, everyone gets mad. Including blank keys will make everyone unhappy (so it's a good compromise), but most of the other keys are incorrect.
I urge all ISO users to switch to a different layout or use blanks exclusively.
One of the (many) problems with ISO is that you need like 30 or 40 keyset options to cover them all and that raises prices significantly.
Also, if you include options for one country, but dare to leave out another, everyone gets mad. Including blank keys will make everyone unhappy (so it's a good compromise), but most of the other keys are incorrect.
I urge all ISO users to switch to a different layout or use blanks exclusively.
T1MeW4sTeR
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May 5, 2015
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dorkvaderThat's just stupid man. Most European countries have ISO layout and it's pretty difficult to change that for practical reasons - http://deskthority.net/wiki/ANSI_vs_ISO
Don't be ignorant to other peoples' needs just because you get what you want.
Don't be ignorant to other peoples' needs just because you get what you want.
LastTycoon
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May 6, 2015
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T1MeW4sTeRIt comes down to simple supply and demand. There is a much bigger enthusiast market in the States compared to the whole EU and that is reflected in the availability of aftermarket key caps. It definitely sucks that is how it is. Perhaps if the market keeps growing there will be more ISO buyers to make ISO options profitable for manufacturers.
T1MeW4sTeR
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May 9, 2015
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LastTycoonAbsolutely and I understand that. My problem was the whole "ISO users should just switch to ANSI"-thing :o)
But It is very sad, we can't get ISO layout It's extremely difficult to get enthusiast keyboard parts in Europe.
But It is very sad, we can't get ISO layout It's extremely difficult to get enthusiast keyboard parts in Europe.
dorkvader
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May 24, 2015
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T1MeW4sTeRI feel your pain. I didn't say ANSI was better than ISO, nor do I want to ignore the plight of the ISO user. But think: it doesn't easily work out. Lets say you want to include ISO as a GB option. So you add support for EN-UK. Then the french people and Spanish and German also want ISO option. So you add three more. But then Canadian French and Belgian French, Norwegians and Chilean Spanish all want theirs too. So you add five more. But then Eastern Europe cries out, so you add Czech, etc etc.
You end up with a case where you have 40 different ISO kits for every country and each one has 5-10 orders (at best). Even if Europe had a much larger enthusiast market than the US its still hard to make work. That's why I recommended getting some blanks. The reason I urged all ISO users to switch to a new layout isn't because ANSI is better, I urge everyone to switch to a new layout. Matrix KBs are way better than staggared ones.
Look I've used ISO a lot, I typed on an ISO KB exclusively for over a year, I do prefer ANSI but the prevalence of so many unique options make it really hard to support for a GB, and if you want to participate in many GBs you have three options: 1. try to go beyond all the problems and get ISO support (which would be great but sadly won't work for many) 2. learn to use blanks 3. switch to ANSI.
You end up with a case where you have 40 different ISO kits for every country and each one has 5-10 orders (at best). Even if Europe had a much larger enthusiast market than the US its still hard to make work. That's why I recommended getting some blanks. The reason I urged all ISO users to switch to a new layout isn't because ANSI is better, I urge everyone to switch to a new layout. Matrix KBs are way better than staggared ones.
Look I've used ISO a lot, I typed on an ISO KB exclusively for over a year, I do prefer ANSI but the prevalence of so many unique options make it really hard to support for a GB, and if you want to participate in many GBs you have three options: 1. try to go beyond all the problems and get ISO support (which would be great but sadly won't work for many) 2. learn to use blanks 3. switch to ANSI.
T1MeW4sTeR
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May 31, 2015
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dorkvaderI could live with a UK or even German layout. What I can't live without is the extra caps ;o)
I'm aware the Scandinavian market aren't very large(though extremely large if counting percentage of people living here that are enthusiasts), but I also know ISO aren't so small a marked. Even if it just came with the extra caps, I would be happy :o)
I know you said, it was possible to get the few caps as one-offs, but that isn't true - Especially if it's in a special colour or if it's double shot like these are. And in my case I want it for my modifier keys. So it wouldn't even be a problem to have it with American layout as long as I could get the right caps :oP
I'm aware the Scandinavian market aren't very large(though extremely large if counting percentage of people living here that are enthusiasts), but I also know ISO aren't so small a marked. Even if it just came with the extra caps, I would be happy :o)
I know you said, it was possible to get the few caps as one-offs, but that isn't true - Especially if it's in a special colour or if it's double shot like these are. And in my case I want it for my modifier keys. So it wouldn't even be a problem to have it with American layout as long as I could get the right caps :oP
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