Drop Ibara Slim Rinse Denim Discussions | Drop

Jul 14, 2019

What sort of cut? Button fly or zipper? Need a few more details.

Jul 14, 2019

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Jul 21, 2019

airencrackenI should be getting my hands on a pair soon. Idk if John will let me spill the beans or not.

Jul 21, 2019

Aug 2, 2019

erickongI vote zipper.

Aug 2, 2019

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Aug 3, 2019

EvshrugAnd I'd prefer button fly, but either way, I'd like to know if I should care at all. :)

Aug 3, 2019

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Aug 3, 2019

airencrackenIn another thread, @john.webb said these are button fly. Since you, @airencracken, prefer button fly, could you help me out (and others) to describe why? I’ve only had poor experiences with button flys, but I don’t have a wide breadth of experience with them, and I’m willing to listen to someone with a different experience :)

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Aug 3, 2019

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Aug 3, 2019

EvshrugSure! Always just found them more comfortable and more durable than zipper fly pants. My daily wear are BDUs that are button fly, but I used to wear button fly denim (not 501s, too skinny). In my experience, they just hold up better and don't get in the way as much. They're also faster to take off than zipper fly since you can get all the buttons in one motion. I don't have anything against zipper fly, just prefer buttons. :)

Aug 3, 2019

john.webb

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Aug 15, 2019

airencrackenthe basics - Button Fly / Slim Fit / 15 Oz Selvage (low tension = easy break in) / Loomed and Sewn in Japan

Aug 15, 2019

Aug 15, 2019

john.webbThanks for the info! Slim fit isn't for me, but hopefully some other people are excited. :)

Aug 15, 2019

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john.webb

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Aug 15, 2019

airencrackenAiren - Our fit isn't skinny - its a gradual tapered leg. What's your fit? Brand / style?

Aug 15, 2019

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Aug 16, 2019

john.webbI generally wear baggy stuff. Mostly BDUs lately, since most denim has moved into the skinnier fit.

Aug 16, 2019

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john.webb

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Aug 16, 2019

airencrackenShucks - there are so many wide leg denim options these days - always the often overlooked LVC 1955 501. Hopefully, more fits are in our future.

Aug 16, 2019

Aug 18, 2019

john.webbI appreciate the info either way :) Honestly the (mass)drop exclusive stuff has long been the best reason to shop here, so hopefully there will be more in the future that captures my interest. Not that I'm in any position to make suggestions, but the BDUs I wear are not of the best quality, but it's hard to find the combination of pockets, generous inseam, laced cuffs, and button fly anywhere, so I put up with the less than amazing fabric. Doubt there's much of a market for that though. :D

Aug 18, 2019

Oct 28, 2019

airencrackenSo, I’ve been wondering why there were button fly supporters, thinking there must be advantages I haven’t thought about... and what do you know, google works: https://www.purewow.com/fashion/pros-and-cons-button-fly-jeans?amphtml=true It’s an article for women’s jeans with button fly, but I think the pros and cons are unisex. Some interesting thoughts! I also can’t help but notice the pants they mention at the end are all around the Drop jean’s price or higher,

Oct 28, 2019

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lexzboy

Nov 8, 2019

EvshrugWelll... nobody ever snagged their dick in a button, eh? 😁

Nov 8, 2019

Nov 8, 2019

lexzboyCan’t say I’ve gone around the street, taking a poll 🤣

Nov 8, 2019

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Nov 8, 2019

lexzboyWoah woah woah

Nov 8, 2019

Nov 13, 2019

erickongAny comment about the potential of button flies to set off airport security?

Nov 13, 2019

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Nov 13, 2019

EvshrugNo idea. I've never worn button fly jeans through a metal detector. I'm typically in something super comfy when flying

Nov 13, 2019

Nov 13, 2019

erickongWell, that doesn’t answer the question, BUT I appreciate the fast response. I fly for work about 6 times a year, and maybe next year I’ll finally fly for recreation, so it’s a consideration for me. Recently had a zipper-fly BR Traveller Jeans 👖 set off the metal detector right in the crotch region this summer. I could crack a joke about steel and that area, but at the time I was just looking to pass through and just had to wait for the thorough pat-down to end (and though it was an inconvenience and a bit of a privacy space issue, I tried my best not to make it awkward with the TSA Agent, who proooobably wasn’t looking forward to it either). First time that happened in years of wearing the Travellers, though. They also let my Massdrop/Ferrum Forge RUK go through security in my backpack without comment, which is good because I didn’t even realize it was there till after I got home 😅

Nov 13, 2019

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Nov 14, 2019

EvshrugI'm sorry I can't answer your question :( Maybe some metal detectors are more sensitive than others. I just used a strong magnet to see how much ferrous metal was in the button hardware and it didn't want to stick to the magnet.

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Nov 14, 2019

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Nov 14, 2019

erickongClever problem solving! If they’re brass or bronze buttons, they wouldn’t be magnetic at all. I don’t know how metal detectors work though... and I’m fairly convinced airport security will pull people at random for hand checking, anyway.

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Nov 14, 2019

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Apr 17, 2020

airencrackenAnother reason I, personally, would prefer zipper fly is because it sits flatter against the abdomen. But, to paraphrase someone else, I guess a zipper could chew up underwear or something with substantially more nerve endings if you aren’t careful, so that’s a point for button flies 🤣

Apr 17, 2020

Momoshi

May 6, 2020

EvshrugNever had a button fly come down/undone. Zipper fly constantly having to worry about being undone. Button fly breaks in and is faster to undo than a zipper fly. Button fly has more character than zipper fly and is more traditional. Never had a button fly catch on something or break. After decades of both I will not buy jeans with a zipper, honestly I hate them now that I really think of it. Drop seems to have made something for the true denim enthusiasts. The brands you're used to or comparing aren't really the same as these even though they may have the same price tag. If you want to see what it's about buy some, if not keep on the path your on, you'll never know what you're missing. Oh and the airport metal detector thing, really? You're worried about that? Crotch swipe and go bro.

May 6, 2020

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May 6, 2020

Momoshi•I’ve never had a zipper fly come undone. •Zippers don’t have a break-in period, good to go from purchase date. •I haven’t experienced button flies that are faster than pulling down on a zipper... if a button can be undone in a similar motion, I would be more concerned about them coming undone on their own than zippers. •More character with buttons: subjective, so YMMV but I respect your opinion. •I’ve never had a zipper catch on anything or break either... unless you mean the stitching between zipper and fabric coming undone, which has happened on some grade school backpacks, but never on jeans. • If possible I choose shoes that are fast to take off and socks that won’t show the floor dirt, pants that don’t need a belt, so why not consider the fly when it comes to metal detectors? It’s only happened to me once, but the experience was unpleasant for me and an additional delay. Yes, it’s not an everyday issue, but if buttons have more metal and might be more likely to set off an alarm, it’s still a point for zippers. @Momoshi, I appreciate the thought and many points you contributed to help me consider the difference. I can see it took a few minutes. However, I don’t see any of your points as a particularly compelling reason to prefer buttons, much less “hate zipper flies” to the point where you won’t buy them. I prefer zippers because they’re simpler (less dexterity needed), faster to “operate,” “seals” better when needed in windy or cold weather, and have been more comfortable when wearing (flat against the body, evenly distributed). All the above seems clear to me, even before I get subjective (I’m used to zippers). It seems everyone who likes button flies has a fear of snagging skin on them (which confuses me because the zipper is not right along the edge of the fabric, but on top of a flap), is used to buttons, and subjectively prefers them just because they like the style of knowing they have buttons (hidden under a flap). For people who “just like buttons,” these pants look like real winners, and for me the fly is the only hang up. There is absolutely nothing I’ve read that indicates these buttons will be anything different or better than button flies I’ve been irritated with in the past. I have bought some raw denim jeans (Naked and Famous Kihon, with a zipper), but I’m not about to spend money on pants that I think will irritate me (many buttons). There just doesn’t seem to be any sense in buttons other than “FOMO.” If I have explored these little details, and can appreciate traditions (like the sack-stitching machines used to make angled hems, sticking accents that only show up with cuffs, pocket size/shape, taper, etc) and was willing to purchase jeans priced above bare minimum prices, and yet I’m still considered ignorant to the “true denim enthusiasts” club because I don’t need buttons to be distinguished from what could be considered mainstream/cheap jeans, then oh well. A shame, because everything else on these jeans looks really cool to me.

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May 6, 2020

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Axeguy

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May 6, 2020

EvshrugFunny, because my current most comfortable jean (Fjällraven Greenland Jeans) are button fly, it made me feel that was 'the best'—even though it was the first button-front design I've tried (forgetting all memories of bizarrely-festive club jeans hardware like levered snaps and cris-crossing front tensioners from early 80's...ssso…'nuff said). When I think of club attire in the '80s, I am thankful that 'nostalgic' is not a term that ever applied to pants hardware. I suspect that they (my Greenland Jeans) were just fitting well because of the thought put into their tailoring, comfort, and utility. I think I'd have to test identical products with one zippered and the other buttoned to really figure it out for myself. Either way, it's been established as 'possible' to have good experiences with buttons or zippers (no levers, snaps, or laced tensioners). Think I'll go for it.

May 6, 2020

omgthatsme

Nov 23, 2020

EvshrugHowdy! I hate to chime in so late, but I noticed that you frequented this drop. Have you purchased a pair yet? If not, at $70 I think you should jump on it. On a slight tangent, there are a few reasons why buttons are better, but they are possible opinions. A zipper will have two layers, the two pieces of fabric that zip together covered by a flap of denim. A button fly has three layers of fabric, a piece used to attach buttons, a flap that the buttons go into, and the cover flap. In my experience, the button flies are at least warmer, while maybe not air tight. More layers of fabric help though. Ive also has zippers fail, and it’s almost impossible to repair. You can repair button flies much easier. A lot of the raw denim fanatics, wear jeans for many years and rely on repairs to have the jeans last that long. I could probably tell you what everyone else has about the details that will go unnoticed by everyone around you. You feel the difference in quality when wearing a pair of jeans made by a skilled craftsman rather than a sweatshop. I like raw denim because most companies are ethical and pay their craftsman a livable salary. You pay more for it, but it’s worth it. Mass produced companies don’t pay their employees nearly what they deserve. The quality (in terms of details) are lacking from mass produced companies since it’s time consuming and labor intensive. Denim in this realm is purely detail oriented and for most, it’s just a normal pair of blue jeans. For people who understand the processes the manufacturers have to go through to produce a pair of jeans like this, it’s more like a display of passion. Even though that display is through a random as a pair of jeans. Also, Japanese denim is top tier even compared to America who founded the denim jeans we all wear now. At $70 and you can return, it’s a bargain. Hope this helps! ps. I have more arguments for buttons flies if you want to debate ;)

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Nov 23, 2020