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Astral
76
Jul 11, 2014
A thousand dollar DAC, literally the stupidest snake oil I've ever seen.
Kieran
19
Jul 11, 2014
AstralYup, that's a pretty silly way to spend money. Don't need to spend nearly that much to get measurements way better than human hearing, Although $20k cables are definitely stupider snake oil, at least this DAC measures better than a bunch of cheaper ones, even if it's impossible to hear the difference.
The_Cobraj
21
Jul 12, 2014
AstralI did a blind test on my DAC and a cheaper one, and I can definitely hear a difference. When my friends come over, I also let them blind test it as well, and nearly everyone can hear a difference.
Obviously there are diminishing returns, but it's up to people to pay what they think it's worth.
The_Cobraj
21
Jul 12, 2014
KieranLike I said in my reply to Astral, there is a difference. You also need to have really good quality music and a set up in proportion. Like obviously if you have some $300 headphones, you aren't going to hear much of a difference.
Astral
76
Jul 12, 2014
The_CobrajTom's Hardware did a blind testing with four devices that cost 2, 20, 200 and 2000 dollars... You can read the conclusion here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733-19.html
The_Cobraj
21
Jul 12, 2014
AstralThey used Senn's. Enough said lol...
deniall83
12
Jul 13, 2014
The_CobrajThey used HD800's. A headphone which is widely regarded as the best dynamic ever made and has the best detail retrieval of any headphone on the market. If they couldn't hear a difference with these cans then there was no difference.
xSoarin
20
Jul 13, 2014
deniall83well maybe you should buy 2000 dollar headphones and buy a 20 dollar dac? but wouldn't that be silly now.
The_Cobraj
21
Jul 14, 2014
deniall83lol, I've heard the HD800s, and I don't know why everyone likes them. They sound good. BUT, they make everything sound exactly the same. They aren't neutral at all. So that is why they are a useless headphone for comparing things, if they make everything sound the same. I've extensively auditioned my friends LCD-2s, and I have T1s, and I can hear a difference on my Nad M51 vs Mini Matrix I. And he had the Burson 160D I think, and there was a noticeable difference between that and the Mini Matrix.
The fact that you say it has the best detail retrieval is wrong, because a) electrostatics: Stax b) LCD-X c) T1s
Did that comparison, even say the bitrate of the files they used, or which amplifier they used?
deniall83
12
Jul 15, 2014
The_CobrajYou have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Visit Inner Fidelity once in a while. Lol at comparing T1's detail to HD800's...
The_Cobraj
21
Jul 15, 2014
deniall83Have you actually heard them both, or just reading reviews?
http://www.headfonia.com/hd800-t1/
"The T1 has a great feel of clarity that lets you vision the music better, while the HD800 has a smooth and analog sound that lets you get a better mood of the music. "
Pretty much sums up what I was saying about T1s being neutral and HD800s making everything sound the same.
I didn't say the HD800s were bad, just that they seem a bit useless to review DACs.
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