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kuuhaku
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Jan 4, 2020
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NewType88I think a lot of people are missing the point that these are meant to be an audiophile all-in-one package. With ANC, it is extremely difficult/impossible to achieve the frequency response and sound stage they are looking for. If you had an ANC headphone before, you would've noticed that there is an amount of pressure applied to your eardrums when ANC is on. So, with a clean amp tech like the THX AAA in the Pandas, an integration of ANC would essentially go against all the high-end components that really matters when it comes to sound.
NewType88
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Jan 4, 2020
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kuuhakuI hear ya, but you could also have it as an option for the price. I've come to the conclusion that just about all headphones are overpriced though.
jaydunndiddit
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Jan 6, 2020
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NewType88Why though? So many other options exist that do ANC well (Sony, Bose, etc.). However, options for "audiophile" grade Bluetooth headphones with LDAC + other options is a much larger rarity and what we're all waiting for here. Especially given these seem to share a lot with the Oppo PM3.
Heefty
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Jan 7, 2020
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NewType88ANC == excessive DSP == bad sound. Market doesn't need another Bose QC, it needs BT wireless that doesn't count on DSP to mask over cheap components.
NewType88
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Jan 7, 2020
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jaydunndidditWhy not ? Just have it as a feature not the main event.
NewType88
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Jan 7, 2020
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HeeftyIt doesnt have to be the main feature, but it can be an option. More instead of less ?
Heefty
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Jan 8, 2020
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NewType88With every added feature comes trade-offs. Perhaps the trade off here is ANC vs sound quality and since there's plenty of options for the ANC+bad sound, they took it the other direction since there's no other options. That's the smart move.
NewType88
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Jan 10, 2020
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HeeftyRight, but it would be a on/off option being used dependent on environment and what you’re listening to that would determine which feature to use. I don’t see the problem having this feature when you’re already shelling out 400 bucks.
ADHDCinema
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Jan 11, 2020
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NewType88400 bucks for audiophile grade is about average anywhere you look. Add on wireless and you have a steal here. Audio gets expensive its just how it is. But the thing about ANC is there are production costs youre not considering. The time it would take to develop their own ANC that matches the signature they want in these headphones OH BOY. These would be like 900$ with audiophile grade audio and ANC.
Heefty
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Jan 13, 2020
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ADHDCinemaThat's assuming you can ever get to audiophile grade sound with ANC. With ANC comes DSP...
serwei
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Jan 13, 2020
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HeeftyPart of the mobility usage is during commuting. ANC works wonders in trains, buses, flights by damping the rumble. Without ANC the only way is to EQ to compensate. I guess that was why early wireless headphones thought SBC or even APT-X was good enough. The audiophile portion for LDAC, etc used to be a "bonus". So here we all hoped that ANC is the "bonus" in reversing the main consideration. Oh well. Probably getting it anyway since it's closed back.
I've tried a Hifiman Ananda on the subway/metro. LOL it sounded fantastic while *waiting* for the train ;p ;p
Heefty
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Jan 13, 2020
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serweiI'm well aware of why ANC exists. I have been seen using Bose QC over the top of my IEMs to get the benefits of ANC with decent sound on airplanes/buses and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
My point is that there are already abundant choices for ANC. There aren't, however, abundant choices for wireless headphones that design with sound quality as the highest priority. This is a simple decision between "join the throng" or "do something new." Seems Drop chose the latter and I agree with that choice.
Also, passive closed back cans typically don't isolate you well from low frequencies if not carefully designed for. A lot of them actually amplify a frequency band somewhat (Typically somewhere in the 70Hz to 200Hz range). A few examples:
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MezeClassic99.pdf
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MrSpeakersEtherFlowC.pdf
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/OppoPM3SampleC.pdf For higher frequencies they do well, but you'll still get the rumble.
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MrSpeakersEtherFlowC.pdf
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/OppoPM3SampleC.pdf For higher frequencies they do well, but you'll still get the rumble.
Will
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Jan 14, 2020
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serweiBeen using Panda on flights and trains for the last couple months, comparing directly to the Sony 1000XM3. While the ANC is better at removing the background noise, I prefer Panda at a higher volume over the Sony 1000XM3 for loud environments.
Panda's acoustic isolation is great, so you're reducing the noise considerably to start, and while I'm listening slightly louder than normal. I'll take louder, better sound, over quieter, worse sound with a darker background.
This will come down to preference for the individual, but Panda will be a huge commute improvement for folks that love music. If you love silence, stick with the ANC.
kuuhaku
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Jan 24, 2020
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NewType88I think the addition of a feature like that would add quite a bit of heft to the headphones. This is how ANC works: mic on the headphones picks up sound from the outside(noise) and mirrors that noise to create an anti-noise through a special circuit within the headphones. In other words, it is likely that the ANC circuit would add extra heft to the device or it could conflict with the amp circuit. So, that might be why they are not adding ANC and since your solution offers an on/off switch, that would add an extra cable in the headphones for toggling.
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