Drop + THX Panda Wireless Headphone Discussions | Drop

Jul 8, 2020

nrudasillusb c?

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nrudasill

Jul 8, 2020

madzikhaMy keyboard has a headphone jack so I'd like to use that

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Jisheng

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Jul 9, 2020

nrudasillI mean, if your keyboard's audio jack gives off bad audio, you kinda wouldn't want to Amp up bad audio even further. I think what you're looking for is a DAC.

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Jul 9, 2020

nrudasillLol. You said your keyboard amp is bad but you still want to use it? Even if its doesnt bypass panda internal amp it would sound worse.

Jul 9, 2020

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Jul 9, 2020

nrudasillOk thanks I guess I didn't understand how this stuff works.

Jul 9, 2020

Jul 9, 2020

nrudasillHey, best thing to do is get a long USB-C to C cable and connect to your computer if you have a C port available. This will allow you to use Panda's on-board DAC and amp, giving you better audio than you can get over the 3.5mm from your keyboard, or the 3.5mm from your motherboard on the back of the computer. When you're listing to music on a computer, first the digital to analog converter (DAC) converts the digital signal (01010) to analog signal (sounds), then the signal goes to an amplfier which amplifies that signal so you can hear it in your headphones. By connecting Panda over USB-C (or BT) you skip all of the audio hardware on your computer and use Panda for the DAC and Amp portions, this will give you the best experience given your setup.

Jul 9, 2020

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Jul 9, 2020

WillWhy can't it bypass it it in the first place? Could this be fixed with drivers in the future?

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballBypass what? the 3.5mm jack is attached to the amplifier in the computer, BT or USB-C is the only way to use Panda's hardware for audio

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Jul 10, 2020

WillI meant could a driver for windows or Mac tell the computer to use the panda's amp instead of the internal one?

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballBruh. Type C and BT is digital signal (data), 3,5mm or any auxiliary is analog signal (sound). If you want to use panda hardware you need to use digital signal. You do understand how DAC/Amp work dont you?

Jul 10, 2020

Jul 10, 2020

madzikhaNo I don't actually!!! Thank you for being so kind and understanding and taking your time to explain and not being jerk In the process! Just because you know how something works doesn't mean that everyone does...

Jul 10, 2020

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Jul 10, 2020

madzikhaFrom what will said earlier, the DAC converts to analog right, so why can't the computer convert then push it to the amp in the panda over analog? I'm a newbie to audiophile stuff and am trying to understand how things work

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballLmao. Will already explained it darling. If your analog source is outputing bad analog signal do you want to amplify that signal?

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Jul 10, 2020

madzikhaEven if the computer has a decent dac, there is no way to bypass the amplifier in the commputer and have the headphones use its own amp? From what I have heard these headphone's AAA amp is supposed to be pretty good so would it be better than my new ish laptop? Again I know nothing about these things, if software cant turn off a computers amp without disabling the entire port then thats my question solved.

Jul 10, 2020

Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballThe 3.5mm cable (jack) is an analog cable and outputs an analog signal, the signal has to be converted to analog prior to passing though the cable (that's what you PC sound card does) If you want to use a digital signal, and thus use the integrated DAC and AMP, you'll have to connect it via USB (or Bluetooth)

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Jul 10, 2020

alesimulaThank you but that's not what I am asking. I get that it needs converted first but would there be a difference in quality if it was converted to analog then instead of being amplified on my sound card, it does it in the headphones. Does it make any sort of difference whatsoever if it was using the computers amp or my headphones amp?

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballI think that would have required the headphones to be powered on while being connected through the 3.5mm cable (IF they implemented this, which I highly doubt) It would, however, not have been a good idea, as people who use their own AMP would want to connect them through 3.5mm, expecting to bypass the built-in AMP Also I doubt your sound card has an AMP, usually just a DAC, which, by being inside your PC, receives more external noise

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Jul 10, 2020

alesimulaWould it be theoretically possible that if people wanted to use the headphones amp they could use it by turning the headphones on, if not they keep them off? Also would it matter in the first place if there isn't a noticable gain in improvement?

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballConsidering you have no external DAC, I think it would still be better to connect it though USB if you want to juice the best sound out of them Also it could MAYBE theoretically be possible (don't take my word for it) but I doubt (maybe, but probably not) a simple software update could make this possible, we should ask @Will

Jul 10, 2020

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballSince you have no external DAC / power AMP, your best bet is to use them wired through USB if you want to juice the best sound out of them It would *maybe* theoretically be possible (don't take my word for it) but I highly doubt a simple software update could add this; maybe we should ask @Will

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Jul 10, 2020

alesimulaThank you, all I wanted to know is if that could make any sort of difference/if it might have been theoretically possible. Thanks for clearing it up a bit. I'm just looking at situations where I might opt to go wired onto my phone or computer but want the best quality that I can get

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballIf you want to use the DAC/Amp in Panda, use it over BT or USB. When you use it over BT or USB, your computer sends the digital files to Panda and it does the rest, never using your computer's audio hardware. When you plug in Panda via 3.5mm, that 3.5mm jack on your computer is the output for your computer's DAC/Amp section. Anything you plug into that is only going to sound as good as your computer's audio hardware. If your computer hardware is bad, use BT or USB. We added the 3.5mm out primarily so people can connect to their existing amplifier collection.

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Jul 10, 2020

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g0ldl10n

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballI mean, you could use them over bluetooth instead, that would use the internal amp. Is there a particular reason you wouldn't want to use them over bluetooth instead of 3.5mm?

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Jul 10, 2020

g0ldl10nI was wondering because I'm looking at getting a DAC but if the amp in the headphones is enough then I wouldn't need to get a DAC/amp or just an amp

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Jul 10, 2020

WillI know about using it over Bluetooth or cable, was just wondering if it was possible with a software or driver addition

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g0ldl10n

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballGotcha.. ya, you'd definitely want at least a desktop headphone amp (DAC optional) to enjoy them over 3.5mm, or they are definitely not going to sound nearly as good as they can.

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballI wouldn't bother, I'd just use it over USB. To get an improvement over the internal amp/dac, you'd have to spend $500+ on an external solution, not really worth it if you already own Panda.

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Jul 10, 2020

WillOkay thanks, but is it theoretically possible at least, just curious?

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Jul 10, 2020

aaaafireballNo, the 3.5mm jack goes directly to the drivers, and further, you wouldn't want to connect an amp to an amp. Either use the internal dac/amp in Panda, or spend $500+ to see if you get a better experience using it over 3.5mm You only want to use one amp, you would not buy that $500 amp and connect it to Panda's amp, there's no way to do that and you wouldn't want to anyway, there's no upside.

Jul 10, 2020