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mdot
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$199............................ plate mount stabs on a steel plate.................
feel like this is a late april fools joke.
lewis0014
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Apr 4, 2022
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mdotthis is Idobao srecw PCB Mount stabilzer.
E-White Plate
Gasket-mounted structure
mdot
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lewis0014i guess it begs the question - WHY? doesnt really matter what you finish it with... its steel. it will sound like a cheap pingy oem board due to having a steel plate... and you remove any chance of flex that a gasket mount could provide......... so again - WHY?
the decision to use steel makes no sense.
i also just realize i was assuming the case was aluminum cnc.......... but it doesnt actually state the case material anywhere. is this a plastic case???????????
PancakeGoon
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Apr 7, 2022
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mdotWell, as a starter, you are confusing some aspects of mounting technology here, and although you *do* have some valid points made, but none of them are for the reasons you think & sorta nullify your arguments.
- First off, a Steel plate doesn't necessarily mean it's guaranteed to sound like a pingy mess OR feel like a cheap OEM board... Pingy acoustics have more to do with hollow/empty space underneath the PCB, and the housing-material being metal & smooth. The open metal inner-housing under the PCB is what CAUSES the sounds to bounce around and reverberate unfiltered & undegraded - this is ping.
- Secondly, and more importantly, **gasket mounting is not what creates flex alone, and flex is NOT the main point of gasket mounting!**
Gaskets are literally that; isolation strips that prevent the plate from directly-touching the keyboard case and mounting points, leading to metal-on-metal collisions & movement creating **metal ping**, AND allowing that ping (plus all the other internal noises and sounds) to travel from the plate INTO the case itself, further exaggerating & reverberating the harsh sound-waves throughout the entire board. That's the main purpose of gaskets...
And this is why gaskets are the main reason a steel plate can be used and NOT be a guaranteed pingy mess!
- Thirdly, Yes a Steel plate will obviously be rigid, with a hard bottom-out & no flex. But that doesn't mean it can't be *dampened*, and dense heavy metals inherently have a high mass; this can produce nice and solid acoustics with the thick thocc's that the kids crave! Just like Brass or Copper plates - the secret is isolating the heavy metal plates from touching ANY other metals, or even the case itself (depends on p r e f e r e n c e )... maybe with, let's say "gaskets!".
But youre right in that it won't have flex... but it isn't the gaskets alone that are pointless, it's the plate material. Gaskets still help the acoustics AND FEEL by cushioning the *plates* bottom-out, absorbing and toning the sounds running through it. It also allows the plate to absorb some of the harshness from the Steels rigidity, leading to a slightly rounder personality (which can be further changed by the type of material the gaskets are made of!). This is also an example of the difference between "Flex" & "Bounce", in-case you've seen the terms used and thought of them as meaning the same thing.
No; the **most important aspects when it comes to typing flex** is the PLATE MATERIAL & the OVERALL MOUNTING-STYLE!
- An FR4 plate can be both stiff and rigid, or a bouncy flex-monster.
- Steel, Brass or Copper plates can all be hyper-pingy, that sound like a church bell being rung, and with a tooth-vibrating rattle at every smash of a crunchy stock Zealio.
OR, they could all sound like a well-tuned thocky endgame, with warm & rounded acoustics, with an attractive Stainless mirror-finish peeking out from between that totally-worth-it™ and not-all-nicotine-stain-yellow GMK Bleached set. Or a poppy clack build with a crispily-solid bottom-out!
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So no, this board isn't automatically bad "because Steel Plate!", or "no PolyCarb! No flexXx®! So why stupid gaskets??!???¿!!?¡¡!??"
I'm not saying the board will be amazing, or sophisticated, OR a cookie-cutter piece of trash with the feel of 12 tray-mount standoffs - because I don't know, & I haven't seen or heard *the implementation*.
Who knows... cud b gud.
mdot
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PancakeGooni think you may be reading into what ive said or making assumptions about what i mean.
aluminum case + steel plate is going to be pingy... even with dampening - it will create an echo chamber. for reference - see the mecha mini, gk pros, and countless other cheaper oem boards that have done it.
could it be good? sure. you can make a cheapo plastic amazon special something respectable with a bit of work, time, and a few bucks.
im questioning why simply because it makes little financial sense on a plate when you are pricing a board at $200. especially given the emphasis and marketing towards the gasket mount... aiming directly at the crowd that IS looking for flex/bounce and have come to (incorrectly) expect "gasket mount = bouncy/flexy". when you throw a metal as dense as steel into a gasket mount setup, you nullify any benefit you could get from the gasket... it will not help with sound as the dense metal creates and reverberates its own sound... it will not flex....
so again i ask - why? outside of hyper buzzwordy marketing, it makes little sense. it seems more like building a ferrari then slapping hubcaps and whitewall tires on it.
everyone is free to their opinion... im simply stating mine that this seems more like a marketing ploy than an attempt at making a decent keyboard in this pricerange. maybe theyll listen and do something about it and give people some options. with an aluminum, polycarb, or even pom... this could be a really decent board. just seems like they whiffed to save a couple of dollars.
mdot
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rainsonyes, it has a steel plate, as opposed to the id80 that has an integrated aluminum plate, right?
i do not think anyone is saying it is not aluminum. i asked as it did not state whether it was or not... there is no mention of materials other than a steel plate, commonly found on plastic boards.
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