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Ecks
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Aug 31, 2019
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Ehhhh, I mean....the Senn's are okay, but color the audio quite a bit. I'd be all over this if there was a Beyerdynamic team up or something.
jelly-bowl
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Sep 1, 2019
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Eckshave you actually compared Beyerdynamics to Sennheisers? It’s silly to make the presumption that the Beyerdynamics are more flat, or especially less “colorful”. There is a more natural sound signature to the midrange of HD 600’s than DT880’s for one. Then if you’re looking for more soundstage than 600’s, you can go for the 660’s or 650’s/6XX which are also warmer and less veiled in the mids. The other question is what you listen to, which neither pair of headphones is going to be an ace of all trades. You’d be lucky to consider them a jack in that regard. Otherwise, they have their own ups and downs. The DT880 Beyerdynamics have more sub-bass but the Senns have more upper bass by volume. Though this is the case, the “focus” on the bass is tighter with the Beyerdynamics. The concession is not only recessed part of the midrange with the DT880’s, but less of a revealing and natural sound. I’ve been rocking my Sennheiser HD660’s without the inner foams as the only “mod”, and find that the intricacy without overexpression that I get from vocals, acoustics, piano etc. is not only incredibly natural, but it doesn’t go into the field of “borderline surreal”. It’s actually almost perfect. For example, Tracy Chapman on any of her recordings. She sounds like herself, and anything else added such as reverb sounds just *correct* without need for further explanation. The linearity is great. I also own the HD600’s and love them, they have a tighter low end but less volume in it, a little less of a midrange presence especially towards the bottom end, but more of a higher range emphasis without straying into the treble area. The 660’s have a looser, more relaxed bass. Extremely true and convincing with drums and the like, but not focused or overly tight in general. They are a little bit more relaxed than I’d like, I’d enjoy if they did that part a tiny bit more like the 600’s, but they still fail to unimpress.
I haven’t had the opportunity to get a good comparison of the 600’s and 660’s versus the 650/6XX or especially the 5XX/580, but from all the material I find, the 660’s are much like a refined version of the 580’s, but a bit farther from the reference 600’s than the 650’s. This leads me to think that the 650’s are probably a great set of headphones for most people as a “jack of all trades”, but if you’re expecting open-backed dynamics with a natural midrange priority to give you the best sound for dubstep, you’re wrong in every way. Aside from these Senns, I also have the B&W C5 S2 iem’s, Koss KSC75x over-ear clips and Apple Beats Pro’s for comparison. I’m not a big electronic music guy, but found it to sound great on the Beats Pros, somewhat decent on the B&W’s but the mid-range wasn’t as much up for the challenge. The HD660’s are too mid-range forward for it and electronic seriously benefits from sub-bass. It *really* is not hard to find headphones that beat open-backs for this genre. There were a couple tracks the Koss surprised me on, but for $18 they are just surprising in general. Very treble-centric and *no* sub-bass, but where they fill, they fill well. Lots of craziness in the curve of the midrange and extreme revealing in the highs, but not nearly as harsh as you would expect, they are surprisingly laid-back for what they are and you can easily listen to them for hours. At this point I’m just ranting.
To sum it up... That’s a bad assumption and you needn’t misinterpret the relevance of being “perfectly flat”. It can be as bad of a thing as being too colorful.
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SaskAudioGuy
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Sep 1, 2019
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EcksIs this trolling because it can't be serious?
Which Beyerdynamics are actually capable of honestly reproducing sound without the Beyer V of overcooked bass, crushed mids and screeching highs.
The closest I have found are the 880s, but maybe there's some rare or high end set I haven't checked out. So I am actually curious, because Beyers are super comfy in my experience.
Ecks
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Sep 1, 2019
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SaskAudioGuyThat's the exact model I'm talking about, actually. The DT880's at 250ohm are warm (in the right ways to me) - just like anything that deals with audio, it's subjective.
To both @SaskAudioGuy and @jelly-bowl - I'm not trying to incite an argument. I've been all over the board with Senns, Beyers, Sony's, AT's, Bang's and tried to blind test them all in a single sitting. I really enjoyed the comfort of the Beyers, but LOVED the comfort of the Senn's. I have attached earlobes, so I liked the elongated cup and "fenced" sound stage. However, that sound stage wasn't there for me. I had it going through a flat EQ with a few genres of music being played. Rock, classical, acoustic, jazz, and electronic. I felt that these Senns we're talking about lacked treble. Not "BRIGHT" trible, but just...treble that you could hear from the strings of violins or the soft rapping of the high hat in other songs. They did great at the mid range, I will say, more so than the Beyer's. But with an EQ I can pump up the mid a little and leave the low and high with the Beyer's.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure these are AMAZING. I think I'd just rather see a better team up is all, heck, I'd even pay a little more for that, obviously. Also, my finger is still hovering over this buy button. Simply because it's still a stellar deal with each headphone priced at $200.
jelly-bowl
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Sep 2, 2019
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EcksI have to admit, going from the crazy over expression of treble on the Koss clips back to the HD 660S’, I was left wanting... Now using them as they are without the inner foams, I find them to be incredibly natural sounding as I described before. They definitely aren’t the leader on soundstage, but to me they lead in reproduction where it matters. I would like something with a little more sub bass and treble as a part of my collection, but it’s hard to tell which direction I should go. I think my next upgrade will either be planars or Focal Clears are on my mind, considering their brighter sound signature and great reputation. Knowing that “bright” headphones *can* be surprisingly pleasant from the signature of the Koss is leading me in that direction. I think I mentioned the Koss being surprisingly not harsh for their cost and signature, but not having excessively incredible detail in that area. That’s where the concept of Focal’s comes in for me. I hope to demo some soon, but I won’t rush anything since if I’m making a $1500 jump I want to make sure the sound signature is something I’m going to enjoy for *most* things. I don’t want it to be 80% Senns and 20% Focals if that’s makes sense. I would rather the majority of my spending go to function and practicality.
on the other hand, I’m also interested in other options that I haven’t considered for genre-specific cans. I’d like to expand my collection
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SaskAudioGuy
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Sep 2, 2019
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EcksNo doubts, actually to me the only Beyers I'd own are the DT880s, the others are screechy.
But for some listening have a flat profile is big. With headphones you are left trying to basically recreate 3 driver types off a single driver. So you have to accept compromises.
I apologize for getting a little hasty with my reply.
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