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Sierra Designs Backcountry Bed 700fp Sleeping Bags
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Featuring an integrated comforter in place of a traditional zipper, the Sierra Designs Backcountry Bed mimics the comfort and feel of sleeping in your bed at home. The oversized comforter seals the opening and allows greater freedom of movement, staying tucked as you change positions throughout the night Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downJeff-in
3
Mar 20, 2017
Not sure how you claim MSRP at $349.95 and a 50% savings. Sierra Design's own web site list it at $319.00 with free shipping.
Same Specifications as you list: EN Comfort Limit:38oF / 3oC EN Lower Limit:29oF / -2oC Fits To:Men's Regular: 6 ft / 182 cm Men's Long: 6 ft 6 in. / 198 cm Fill Weight:Men's Regular: 13.0 oz. / 0.37 kg Men's Long: 14.4 oz. / 0.41 kg Trail Weight:Men's Regular: 2 lbs / 0.91 kg Men's Long: 2 lbs 3 oz. / 0.99 kg
Not saying you still offer a decent discount over Sierra Design list price, but the facts suggest the full offer is not as presented.
Same Specifications as you list: EN Comfort Limit:38oF / 3oC EN Lower Limit:29oF / -2oC Fits To:Men's Regular: 6 ft / 182 cm Men's Long: 6 ft 6 in. / 198 cm Fill Weight:Men's Regular: 13.0 oz. / 0.37 kg Men's Long: 14.4 oz. / 0.41 kg Trail Weight:Men's Regular: 2 lbs / 0.91 kg Men's Long: 2 lbs 3 oz. / 0.99 kg
Not saying you still offer a decent discount over Sierra Design list price, but the facts suggest the full offer is not as presented.
DannyMilks
4557
Mar 24, 2017
MSRP is (with few exceptions) consistent, whereas street price elsewhere is hugely variable considering shipping methods, state tax laws, international shipping, ability to ship to said locations, special sign up discounts or incentive programs, credit card rebates, and sunk cost of $100 a year for Prime Membership. So, it would be impossible to state competitive price, whereas MSRP is clear, obvious and consistent.
Before we start any drop, we price check to make sure we are offering the best value to our members. If a brand has good control over their distribution, then the street price will be at MSRP for 90-95% of the year. So, for most of the companies we work with, MSRP is generally also street price. And when it's not, then it's usually on sale everywhere. Outdoor products tend to go on sale at around the same time - Presidents and MLK day weekends for winter, leading up to Memorial Day and July 4, post- Labor Day, and Black Friday.
Other industries (maybe tech and edc?) probably have street prices that are nearly *always* lower than MSRP, so I could see you having an issue there. We run into that with a few brands. Morakniv comes to mind. But go check on something from Black Diamond, Petzl, Icebreaker, Mountain Hardwear . . . and you might find a sale on some odd sizes or colors, especially last year's products, but in general you'll find that all stores are selling the rest of the products at full MSRP.
I think what @Jeff-in was getting at is that listing the MSRP is straightforward and free of any tinkering by us. It's stated by the manufacturer, and if they change it, then we do too, as do all retailers. However if we listed street price, What shipping location would we choose? Someone in CA or Alaska or Colorado, and do we include Prime, which costs $100? Would you trust our "street price"? And what if that price changed in the time we did our research to the time the drop actually started - would that be false advertising? Could we get in trouble for it?
Finally, I'd be interested to hear your perspective on the value of discussion across different communities. I generally find that the Ultralight and Outdoors discussions are fairly positive and informing. Would you agree? Are other communities different?
Thanks for posting and I do hope you find value in what we're doing here!
Before we start any drop, we price check to make sure we are offering the best value to our members. If a brand has good control over their distribution, then the street price will be at MSRP for 90-95% of the year. So, for most of the companies we work with, MSRP is generally also street price. And when it's not, then it's usually on sale everywhere. Outdoor products tend to go on sale at around the same time - Presidents and MLK day weekends for winter, leading up to Memorial Day and July 4, post- Labor Day, and Black Friday.
Other industries (maybe tech and edc?) probably have street prices that are nearly *always* lower than MSRP, so I could see you having an issue there. We run into that with a few brands. Morakniv comes to mind. But go check on something from Black Diamond, Petzl, Icebreaker, Mountain Hardwear . . . and you might find a sale on some odd sizes or colors, especially last year's products, but in general you'll find that all stores are selling the rest of the products at full MSRP.
I think what @Jeff-in was getting at is that listing the MSRP is straightforward and free of any tinkering by us. It's stated by the manufacturer, and if they change it, then we do too, as do all retailers. However if we listed street price, What shipping location would we choose? Someone in CA or Alaska or Colorado, and do we include Prime, which costs $100? Would you trust our "street price"? And what if that price changed in the time we did our research to the time the drop actually started - would that be false advertising? Could we get in trouble for it?
Finally, I'd be interested to hear your perspective on the value of discussion across different communities. I generally find that the Ultralight and Outdoors discussions are fairly positive and informing. Would you agree? Are other communities different?
Thanks for posting and I do hope you find value in what we're doing here!
ElectronicVices
2937
Apr 12, 2017
DannyMilksMissed your reply previously Danny, sorry for the delay in response. I still enjoy the community aspect of this site as it can bring together a variety of individuals with a wealth of experiential knowledge in various hobbyist arenas. I do feel it has taken a decidedly downward turn over the last 6 months or so in the product discussion threads. I think the Audiophile community was the first to go. In fact there is one particular poster over there that I know has been banned from every major audio enthusiast website on the internet but continues to be allowed to spew his BS and hate here. I get it, posters are also customers, but allow me to ignore his sorely limited view of the world via a block button. The Tech community can also be quite a mess depending on the nature of the drop (PC parts come to mind as a serious offender). I've recently noticed this activity occurring in the Ultralight and Outdoors sections but not to the level of the aforementioned communities. Perhaps a required Read Me (unskippable) page for new users might greatly dispel a lot of the inane comments about MSRP, shipping times, why you only have certain colors/sizes etc... I've tried explaining MSRP, MAP, Street Price/Retail Price in several different discussions as well as the general business model/paradigm of obtaining the products that are dropped here. It only led to inflammatory responses by people claiming what you do with MSRP is similar to what Kohls did with "sales" (in which they claimed a regular price that they had never offered the product at to create a false sense of savings). I agree MSRP is standardized and typically easily cross-referenced but it confuses the living crap out of the laymen that lack the education regarding pricing models and the desire to do some research. You and the rest of the team were extremely responsive in the two instances I've seen where a MSRP was in fact incorrect. I've also seen the team "cave-in" to vehement posters who were out and out wrong but refused to back down.
A lot of the times I feel Mark Twain was spot on when he said, " Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you to their level and beat you with experience."
Thanks for soliciting the input, I will continue to be a customer... just not sure how much longer I will continue to post if the discussion is going to be nothing but people arguing about MSRP, shipping times that haven't changed since the drop was listed and the personal attacks/political agendas.
A lot of the times I feel Mark Twain was spot on when he said, " Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you to their level and beat you with experience."
Thanks for soliciting the input, I will continue to be a customer... just not sure how much longer I will continue to post if the discussion is going to be nothing but people arguing about MSRP, shipping times that haven't changed since the drop was listed and the personal attacks/political agendas.
timetoknapp
2
Nov 18, 2016
What would be the best compression stuff sack to pair with this? I feel that the stuff sack it comes with will be too large for me.
adeadhead
49
Nov 23, 2016
timetoknappI use the smallest (6 Liter) sea to summit eVent stuffsack for mine, it's a great fit.
Cbslc
69
Aug 31, 2018
Anyone have experience with the Duo? Is it backless like BA's design and needs highly insulated pads?
Cbslc
69
Aug 31, 2018
Thanks that's what I needed to know. I have a Nemo Tango Duo 30 that is also backless. We have uninsulated pads so anything less than 40 degrees and our backs were cold. I'm looking at insulated pads, but with failure rates of air pads, I'd still rather have some sleeping bag insulation in case of pad failure.
The other odd component with pads, is the tapered nature. With my Nemo, if I use tapered pads there is an awkward space that lets in the cold and separate bags/pads would be better. So this solutions seems dependent on non-tapered pads.
Cardamomtea
588
Aug 31, 2018
CbslcI've been using NeoAirs for years, no punctures ever, despite sharing the space with two dogs. I carry a patch kit with me, but I've never had to use it. The NeoAir Xtherms are made with a higher denier fabric, if you are worried about durability. The Xtherm MAX line is rectangular-- no tapering whatsoever :-)
clmdvd
5
Oct 9, 2017
Here's hoping they will bring out the 850 fill up Regular one in a future Massdrop! Their warning about the comfort level of this bag has me a bit worried that I won't find it warm enough. 2 seasons means summer and ?
Madman242
35
Oct 10, 2017
clmdvdI got this on a previous drop and it's great until temps start approaching the freezing point. They suggest 3C as the comfort limit but it's more like 8C.
Doodles
14
Mar 19, 2017
Would have loved to get in on this drop, but the men's regular is all sold out. Hopefully Massdrop can get more quanities next time! Certainly a good price.
PaigeD
522
Mar 22, 2017
@mwoody There was a mix up with the vendor, and while we thought more Men's regular were available, it turns out they could only allocate more of the Men's long. I'm trying to get my hands on 600F for a drop next week...but I realize that doesn't help you out with this drop.
T.Warren
88
Nov 15, 2016
Thanks for addressing my concern, Danny. I noticed that the regular size says it will accommodate a 20" wide sleeping pad, while the large will handle a 25" wide pad. I purchased the Klymit Static V from Massdrop earlier this year, which is 23" wide. This makes me think I should size up, even though, at 5'10", the regular should easily accommodate me. I was wondering if the pocket will actually allow a wider pad, since someone else commented that the pad sleeve handled their 3" deep pad, even though it only said it would handle 2.5". One of the reasons I'm attracted to this bag is that the sleeve will keep the bag on the pad. Does anyone know if the Klymit Static V will fit in the pad sleeve?
m0arpheus
433
Mar 19, 2017
T.Warrenugh, I just wanted to say I've had bad luck with my kymit static v mattresses...I've popped two now and I weigh under 2 hundo.
T.Warren
88
Mar 19, 2017
m0arpheusHmm, I haven't had a problem and I weigh 245. My Klymit Static V was just fine on a 9 day backpacking & camping trip last summer. I always use a footprint under my tent or place it under my bag if staying in a shelter.
adeadhead
49
Nov 11, 2016
Oh my god, I can't believe this drop is here. I've the higher end version of this bag (the 800 fill 3 season) and it is the absolute hero of my ultralight rig. Every feature is fantastic. I cannot recommend it enough, and I'd love to answer questions about it.
adeadhead
49
Nov 16, 2016
It doesn't really flex, but it'll fit all the same. I have a 25 inch pad I use pretty often, I just inflate it most of the way, slide it in, then finish blowing it up once in the bag. Once you lay down on it it'll flatten out nicely.
T.Warren
88
Nov 16, 2016
adeadheadThanks! I appreciate the feedback. After reading lots of reviews on other sites, I ended up going with the large anyway. The regular bag should be fine since I'm 5'10" but I have broad shoulders and rather husky at 245 lbs. I figured the extra space in the long (because it has more room in the body in addition to the unneeded extra length) version will let me move around more easily and should be worth the extra 3 oz. pack weight. I'd rather not have to spend the extra $20, but I'll probably appreciate the extra room.
Pcarlson
0
May 20, 2016
Why is the men's regular 40ounces and the women's regular is 42 ounces when it's 5" shorter?
DannyMilks
4557
May 20, 2016
PcarlsonThe womens bag has 4 more ounces of down fill @Pcarlson. On average, women sleep 6-10 degrees colder. Most companies make mens and womens bags with about the same amount of down fill, and then the womens bag is actually not as warm. Sierra Designs has added more fill to make bags that are roughly equal in warmth rating.
solistca
47
Oct 8, 2017
I’ve owned one of these for a few years now. Best bag I’ve ever used—even picked up the warmer one for colder trips. Wish I could go back in time and get this price. If they ever had the 850 fill up, I’d jump in. Best bag I’ve ever used.
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