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Mar 29, 2017

Has this pcb been FCC Part 15 tested?

bigguybbq

Mar 30, 2017

SillySpinnerIt's not a wireless keyboard

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Mar 30, 2017

bigguybbqhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_47_CFR_Part_15 Part 15 does not pertain just to wireless devices, it pertains to all devices that run on electricity that are marketed or sold in the United States.

bigguybbq

Mar 30, 2017

SillySpinnerah

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Mar 30, 2017

SillySpinner @jackhumbert @Wilba @massdrop I hope that the lack of response to my question is not indicative of a lack of FCC part 15 verification.
http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet62/oet62rev.pdf
According to this document, keyboards are not exempt from verification, and penalties for selling unauthorized devices can be steep: o forfeiture of all non-compliant equipment o $100,000/$200,000 criminal penalty for an individual/organization o a criminal fine totalling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment o an administrative fine totalling $10,000/day per violation
Additionally CISPR 22 certification may be needed if you are selling in Europe.
I hope olkb and massdrop are not putting themselves at risk.

fourbbl

Mar 30, 2017

SillySpinnerThey aren't selling a keyboard or a device. They are selling a "kit" ...which may be included in section 15.25?
...why bring it up? Are you concerned about emissions?

Mar 30, 2017

fourbbl15.25 refers to TV kits and still requires verification. What they are selling would probably fit under FCC's description of a digital peripheral requiring verification.
I bring it up because of my curiosity about electrical engineering and the challenges of brining a product to market.

ChitownM2

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Mar 30, 2017

SillySpinnerAs others have mentioned, he's not selling a peripheral device because it isn't assembled. It's a kit and kits are typically treated differently than assembled products when it comes to regulation. For example, cars and planes assembled from kits aren't subject to most of the regs that a finished ready to use version is.
Also, the pcb is probably the only item that would fall under fcc jurisdiction and it probably qualifies as a sub assembly so it would be exempt. Now if he was selling a fully assembled board that might be a different scenario.

Mar 30, 2017

ChitownM2Pertaining to kits: 15.25(b) At least two units of the kit shall be assembled in exact accordance with the instructions supplied with the product to be marketed. If all components required to fully complete the kit (other than those specified in paragraph (a) of this section which are needed for compliance with the technical provisions and must be included with the kit) are not normally furnished with the kit, assembly shall be made using the recommended components. The assembled units shall be certified or authorized under the Declaration of Conformity procedure, as appropriate, pursuant to the requirements of this part.
Pertaining to subassemblies: 15.101(e)Subassemblies to digital devices are not subject to the technical standards in this part unless they are marketed as part of a system in which case the resulting system must comply with the applicable regulations.
From the explainer document: (Note, however, that circuit boards or cards that are connected to external devices or increase the operating or processing speed of a digital device are considered peripherals.)
From these descriptions it looks like this keyboard/kit/peripheral/subassembly would fit under the description of Class A digital devices and their peripherals which means it would be subject to FCC verification.

Apr 9, 2017

SillySpinner@jackhumbert the FCC does not have any application that have been submitted under OLKB, Ortholinear Keyboards, or Massdrop. Is your company registered under a different name? https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N

dsrtfx

Apr 11, 2017

SillySpinnerThought that I had seen it all ... now I come across this self-taught armchair FCC regulations expert :D He's posting his expert knowledge in another drop too...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Apr 12, 2017

dsrtfxHush Erwin. The adults are talking, use your indoor voice.

Genuine

Apr 12, 2017

SillySpinnerThe adults in the room aren't interested in whether the FCC has given their stamp of approval to Jack for this keyboard.

YanboWu

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Collaborations

Apr 12, 2017

GenuineWe are following up with our legal and will definitely be meeting the full legal compliance requirements for the sale / distribution of these keyboards. No need to worry @SillySpinner

fopenplop

101

Apr 30, 2017

SillySpinnerare you a fed dude?

Julianus

Jul 10, 2017

SillySpinnerThis guy.

clicky_clacky

131

Jul 11, 2017

SillySpinnerMan, you called it. How sad is this on MD's part!

Woovie

140

Jul 11, 2017

dsrtfxThe irony...

Keybler

144

Jul 11, 2017

dsrtfxWho's laughing now

Genuine

Jul 11, 2017

SillySpinnerAnd now we know who to point to when someone asks why this was delayed. yay!

bsastor

777

Jul 11, 2017

SillySpinnerAren't you the whistle blower that caused the delay?

Evilocity

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Jul 11, 2017

dsrtfxLmao look who's got the last laugh. Oh and you're an asshole.

n0velty

Jul 11, 2017

dsrtfxTurns out he was right. Shame on you.

Petch

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Jul 11, 2017

YanboWun o n e e d t o w o r r y

Jul 11, 2017

bsastorI'm disappointed in the delay as well. I can't say that I caused the delay, however. I have nothing to do with the project aside from being a customer. However, I can say that I told them they might need to anticipate international regulations in this post 15 weeks ago. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/planck-mechanical-keyboard/talk/1641295?utm_source=linkshare&referer=HFPDND
Don't shoot the messenger.

bsastor

777

Jul 11, 2017

SillySpinnersorry man, you're cool. I was caught up in the moment of confusion when i first heard the news. fingers started pointing and some reply in the earlier posts pointed to what you said a few months ago and i thought somehow they remembered about the regulations just now and thus announced the delay. I'm assuming you opt-in as well? You want some advil? Here gimme a hug bro.

Jul 11, 2017

bsastorLol, thanks. This isn't the only project that I've opted in that has been hit by long delays struggling with compliance. I learned about this stuff waiting for the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard and reading their development blog.

bsastor

777

Jul 11, 2017

SillySpinnerYeah we learn a thing or two everyday. For the time being i'm gonna hold off on the drops on MD until my stuff arrive at my doorstep around late october. It's weird having to forget that i have spent significant amount of money on things that i wanted badly at the time but end up getting it way later when the desire died down somewhat. I imagine the odd feeling i will have when i get it in the mail and be like meh i'll open it later. Then chucks it in the storage, ya know?

SpectreiiI

149

Jul 12, 2017

PetchWords made famous by the crew of the titanic. Not a joke.

chewzerita

Jul 15, 2017

dsrtfxi want to die

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