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BurgerKang
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May 1, 2020
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i have the big sad reading the post about these headphones, they are in the price range im looking for and are wireless, i need something that will hook up to my phone, ps4 and pc with ease, wireless as a preference, otherwise i would get a HD6xx. any halp?
motod
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May 1, 2020
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BurgerKangthe ps4 is a bit of a problem child, since they do not support bluetooth headphones *at all*. (i have researched this to death lol.) there are a few wireless headphones that work great with it (i personally recommend the LucidSound LS35 for sound and build quality, or the sony gold wireless headset for ease of use + features), but they all require usb dongles. in theory you can plug any 3.5mm wired headphones into your controller, but the controller's power output is a limiting factor.
for most use cases (other than ps4), the Sony WH1000XM3 (or M2 or upcoming M4) is going to be your top contender for general use with phone & pc. they have (in my and many professional reviewers' opinion) the best sound for bluetooth headphones, and industry-leading active noise cancellation. since the M4 is about to come out, expect good sales for the M3 and M2 soon. there's basically no difference between revisions other than maybe minor upgrades to battery life or ANC. M2 can be had for under $200 if you wait for a sale. i've had my M2s for a couple years and they've served me very well.
oh, another related note: do not expect to be able to do any co-op gaming (that is, game audio + chat audio) with ANY bluetooth headphones, on any system. the bluetooth codecs are too bitrate lean to handle two separate audio channels. for gaming/chat, you'll want a headset that uses a usb dongle, or a combination of good headphones + stand-alone microphone.
hope this helps :)
BurgerKang
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May 2, 2020
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motodMy corsair wireless plug n play with ease on my ps4.
why you are recommending sony is beyond me.
hd 600s series might be a better pick.
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motod
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May 2, 2020
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BurgerKangcorsair wireless (like most wireless gaming headsets) is 2.4Ghz wireless, but not bluetooth. if you're only using a headset on your ps4 and pc, 2.4Ghz wireless (using a usb dongle) is definitely the way to go due to lower latency and much better audio quality. but that won't do you any good on your phone, which you mentioned in your post.
i recommend the WH1000XMx series because they are, by most standards (including my own, obv lol), excellent performers as bluetooth headphones. i've either owned or demo'ed most other bluetooth offerings in their price range, and i can't think of any others that have a better combined feature set, ANC, and sound quality. obviously audio opinions are subjective to a large degree, so YMMV.
i recommended the sony wireless gold headset because they work seamlessly with the ps4 and have features that most other headsets don't (on-ear chat mix slider, for example). they are certainly not the best build or sound quality, but when you can frequently get them for $80 or less, there's not much to complain about at that price point.
HD600 is a perfectly fine wired headphone, but you specifically mentioned wireless as a preference, so i tailored my response accordingly.
HD6XX is also a great wired option, but i doubt a ps4 controller would power them appropriately. (i suppose i could test this out and report back.)
in general: if you are looking to connect to your phone/tablet wirelessly, bluetooth is (as far as i am aware) your only option, which would be mutually exclusive with the ps4, unfortunately.
good luck with your search.
MaverickAH
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May 3, 2020
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BurgerKangI would probably advise you to get the Radsone Earstudio ES100 MK2 Bluetooth DAC/amp. It'll make whatever headphone you hook it up to wireless. It can also function as an external DAC. The combination of this with the HD 6XX will crap all over the MH40.
BurgerKang
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May 4, 2020
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MaverickAHDoes the radsone connect to my ps4? i'd assume it does. maybe the FiiO might be better... the CORSAIR VIRTUOSO looks like a better option all round the only thing that is stopping me in the lack of depth in the cups... ideally looking for a final pair of cans that will last me several years. DROP + THX PANDA WIRELESS HEADPHONE maybe even.
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MaverickAH
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May 4, 2020
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BurgerKangI would think that it does. The PS4 has the ability to connect via Bluetooth & it also has USB ports which should allow you to use the Earstudio as an external DAC. The same would apply to the Fiio.
BurgerKang
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May 5, 2020
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MaverickAHI ended up getting the Beyerdynamic DT990 with a Tersely DAC Digital to Analog Converter to connect to my ps4.
Thank you for your time and effort.
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satumbalum
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May 5, 2020
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BurgerKangI don't understand why people recommend the WH1000XM over this it's like more then 100 bucks more , compare it to a wireless headphone on the same price range ...
motod
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May 6, 2020
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BurgerKangwhile the Radsone ES100 might be able to be connected as an external DAC to the ps4, it will very likely only work for game audio, not chat. (and of course it would have to be connected via usb.) if you expect to use it for both game audio and chat, i can basically guarantee it won't work. bluetooth does not have the bandwidth to support two channels. (this applies to the pc as well -- i have tried using bluetooth headphones for gaming/chat on my pc, and not only was the audio terrible, but it somehow made my game stutter.)
if you do try using the ES100 with your ps4 (for just game/music audio), let me know how it works! it's a use case that people probably haven't thought about, and it'd be interesting to see how well it does.
motod
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May 6, 2020
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satumbalumwith respect, the sony WH1000XMx are not as expensive as you think unless you're paying full retail, which you shouldn't lol.
i bought the WH1000XM2 two years ago here on (mass)drop for $250 when they were hot on the market. since then, they have consistently been on sale for around $200. even the XM3s can be found for close to $200 if you're patient enough and diligently scour sale prices. (use slickdeals dot com.) i recommended the XMx series in this thread because i didn't think the ~$30 difference between them and the M&D MH40wireless would be a deterrent, considering the XMx is pretty much the gold standard in this category.
for $170 you get really (REALLY) sweet looking MH40wireless with mediocre sound, poor battery life, and no ANC. or for ~$30 more you get best-in-class sound, ANC, and battery life WH1000XM2. that seems like a good comparison to me, but i guess your mileage may vary. :)
motod
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Nov 17, 2020
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pk500"Sony has best-in-class sound?" i don't think that's quite what i said, but please allow me to clarify.
in the $200 range, for bluetooth headphones, sony's XM2's have best-in-class noise cancelation, excellent clarity, a pretty pleasing sound signature, and (iirc) support aptx. i don't disagree with your assessment that they are V-shaped, with rolled off treble. compared to other "consumer" bluetooth headphones, they have relatively subdued and clear bass -- seriously -- but sure, compared to any of the wired big names, they pale in comparison in terms of extension, detail, and are not nearly as "neutral" (though that term is a bit loaded and subjective). but that's apples and oranges.
the OP asked for wireless recommendations and mentioned the HD6XX as a (wired) contender, so i tailored my response to that. for reference, i also own:
-- HoM Exodus (insanely bloated bass, no ANC)
-- Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 2 (excellent sound, but expensive and uncomfortable, mediocre ANC)
-- M&D MW60 ("fun" sound, muddy bass but tolerable, no ANC, gorgeous build, less comfortable)
-- and far too many wired headphones in the same price range, but the OP asked for wireless recs
i stand by my recommendation of the XM2 as a top contender in the $200 wireless space, having owned or demoed a lot of the competition. just my opinion, though, of course.
if you have any recommendations in the same price ballpark you think are better, i'm all ears... pun intended. ;) (and that's not meant to be sarcastic -- i'm always in the market.)
pk500
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Nov 21, 2020
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motodThanks for the detailed reply. Agree with you on MW60 -- warm but a bit too muddy for my tastes. Just not enough clarity for me despite their excellent balance.
My recent purchase decision came down to the AKG N700NCM2 and the Master & Dynamic MH40 Wireless. The AKGs were $186 at Amazon (now down to $158!); the M&Ds were $249 at Amazon. I chose the AKGs, for these reasons:
- Price. The AKGs are $63 less and could be up to $100 less if I return these and buy again at lower price.
- ANC. The AKGs have them; the M&Ds don't. The ANC isn't great in the AKGs, nowhere near as good as Sony or Bose. But it's there.
- Better battery life, by about six hours.
- Comfort was a push. The M&D's have very little padding on the headband, so if you're sensitive to pressure on your dome, you may not like the MH40s.
- Sound. Man, I AGONIZED over this, as the AKGs and M&Ds both have excellent audio quality but have very different sound signatures. The AKGs are more crisp, analytical. The M&Ds are warmer. To simplify, the AKGs sound very digital, while the M&Ds are more analog. The sound of the M&D is more like vinyl, while the AKGs are more like a quality digital source. I like the warmth of the M&Ds, but it still got a bit muddy. Not as muddy as the MW60s, but I preferred the clarity and crispness of the AKGs. The treble in the MH40s NEVER gets hot or shouty, while the treble often pushes to the edge with the AKGs. While occasionally the treble gets shouty with the AKGs, it never sustains to the point of being an ice pick in the ear drums. The bass also is a smidge forward but never blooms or leaks into the mids. It almost seems like the M&D engineers went for more of a neutral, warm, conservative sound, while the AKG engineers pushed everything to the edge but pulled back on the reins just before going off the cliff. The AKGs are a more exciting listen while not being too excessively V-shaped like the overrated sound of the Sony XM3 and XM4s.
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