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Al Mar S.E.R.E. 2020 Night G Assisted Folding Knife
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Al Mar S.E.R.E. 2020 Night G Assisted Folding Knife
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Designed in the 1980s by the late Al Mar and Nick Rowe for the S.E.R.E (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) school of the US army, this folder packs a serious pedigree. Known as one of the strongest designs ever made, the S.E.R.E 2020 Night G is now even stronger, thanks to tighter tolerances and updated materials Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downcornerstonetom
263
Mar 30, 2020
I don't think I'd refer to G10 & D2 as "updated materials."
Compared to the original, this is a disappointment.
cornerstonetom
263
Oct 3, 2020
Did I write that which Laxative Nerd213 is accusing me? Don't think so. But, "thank you" I guess? You're sounding a bit hostile.
FWIW, I've not followed this thread now for over 6 months until you brought this to my attention.
I'm not sure it's worth the bandwidth.
method_burger
563
Mar 30, 2020
huh.... interesting....
so a quick background on al mar knives. (please note, i dont own any and this is why)
until recently, i think 2019, all al mar knives were made in japan, and cost quite a bit. if memory serves the original sere was around $200 in VG-10. it looks like 2019 the company started doing collabs, shifted manufcturing over to china, started using framelocks, and apparently uses D2 now. they also shrunk their catalog down quite a bit.
not sure if this was a good thing, but lowering the price definitely opens them to a new market. they did have a reputation of very high level of fit an finish, let's hope that still remains now that they are manufactured in china
Avangal007
3
May 29, 2020
method_burgerI can tell after buying this that the Japanese steel and technique that was on my old SERE is nowhere on the new one. This looks and feels like a knife you pick up at a gas station.
method_burger
563
May 30, 2020
Avangal007highly noted, and saddened by this news. thanks for the input!
DWNG
13
Oct 1, 2020
Save your money. I have an older model from Seki, Japan. These newer models are nowhere near quality
reswright
3851
Oct 1, 2020
DWNGHearing this often but no one's giving specifics and it's hard to know where folks are coming from on the issue, whether they know of specific flaws that they can point to, or they're just concluding that a Yangjiang knife won't ever be as good as a Seki City knife and that Al Mar's widow or whoever is just making one more buck off his work, or they have a Japanese Al Mar they're planning to sell, or what. Folks are speaking with certainty and authority but there's no way to know whether their opinion comes from comprehensive knowledge of the old Al Mars as well as the new ones, or whether it's not. If you have one, any chance you can post a side by side pic with a new model and we can start getting down to brass tacks?
On the one hand I know the Seki Al Mars are semilegendary among some communities and I own many fine knives that were made in Seki City, so it doesn't sound outlandish that a new manufacturer in China might not match their excellence (especially out of the gates). On the other hand, no one's actually saying what makes the new ones bad, and there are Chinese manufacturers that do better work than any Seki City knife I've ever bought, so my natural skepticism starts getting involved. Is it material -- the D2 just isn't as good as the old school thick ass VG10? Is it fit -- is it a matter of machined tolerances and blade and lockface centering? Is it finish -- is it a matter of polish and texture and radiused edges? Is it design execution -- little things are wrong or inconsistent? Are people just saying these things out of cultural allegiance, the way we do?
As someone with literally zero $ invested in the answer, I think someone who knows both the old and the new really ought to post them side by side and be objective about this.
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von_h
31
Apr 1, 2020
I really can't speak for the apparently China-made SERE 2020 with D2, but I've had a SERE 2000 in VG10 for years and it is the best pocket knife I've ever owned.
JonasHeineman
5987
Jul 30, 2020
von_hAl Mar is renowned for their mastery of the heat treatment on that VG-10, which can be brittle on high-angle Japanese chef knives but is an absolute BEAST with thick blade stock and a fatter grind like on your OG version.
Spaw1
0
Mar 30, 2020
Thank you for the reply. I just try to purchase american made items to help more employment opportunities in the states.
Laxnerd213
226
Mar 30, 2020
Spaw1I completely understand and get where you are coming from. When all things are equal I prefer to buy american made items as well.
Taarna
2
Mar 30, 2020
A lot of Al Mar’s product line were made in Seki, Japan. They were however, very pricy compared to this latest offer. Manufacturer in China often results in lower pricing. As to the comparison of quality, there may be other reviews out there on the web.
balakay43
Oct 1, 2020
Better then a stupid strider.
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