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Allegory Handcrafted Goods, based in Chicago, Illinois, is a small company dedicated to making products from smart-sourced, sustainable materials. The Etch Journal is lined with organic cotton canvas and fits the included pocket Moleskine or Fieldnotes notebooks like a glove Read More
I was in for this, but I really like the idea of getting one in Saddle to match my pen roll. I hear that the kangaroo is more durable and/or less likely to show wear. How well will the leather hold up in my pocket?
Eh, more than twice as much for shipping now versus with the drop. Since allegory offers free shipping at $45 anyway, this is only a savings of $9 versus $12 something.
May just pick it up some other time instead if I still want it.
Darn! After reading your awesome reply to DaDewil about being happy to make a custom size at no extra charge, I was convinced I wanted to join this drop. I'm a dawdler, though. I'd be more than happy to pay an extra $3 and get it sooner! Any chance I can still get in on that sweet coupon action?
I'm totally on your side. We have some, uh... overzealous... legislators in the US that jump to conclusions before doing their research. I hope Cali will come to their senses soon.
Hi all - if you have any problems with the coupon code Liz mentioned above, don't hesitate to contact us at service@allegorygoods.com
Apologies for the complications here, but we're also breathing a sigh of relief that we won't be taking any chances when it comes to compliance in CA.
Hi All,
Since our headquarters are in California, the law restricts us from selling this particular leather product. In order to be fully compliant with state law we are closing this drop down, and will not be fulfilling any orders. No group members have been charged for this item, and we are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.
For more information about this ban and the thoughts of Chad from Allegory, you can read his post here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/allegory-etch/talk/359750
For all Non-California residents, Allegory has kindly offered to honor the MD price of this Etch on their website, who still want to get their hands on this notebook cover. Keep an eye on your email for this coupon code.
On the upside, we’re working with Allegory to offer a version of the Etch made from the same great cowhide that is used in the Allegory Pen Wrap and Webbie Covers, which should be on Massdrop before the end of March.
DaDewilDaDewil,
It's designed for the moleskine and field notes notebooks of the same size, and we haven't tested it with the clairefontaine. The clairefontaine has a few more pages, but may still fit. If you don't mind sending us one of your clairfontaine journals, we'd be happy to test the sizing and make yours a touch larger if needed. Since they are the same footprint any modifications will be pretty minimal. Email us at service@allegorygoods.com to set this up after joining the drop.
Thanks!
Chad
calmonte
Feb 13, 2016
I strongly suggest you check with your legal council before you quote the US Constitution as the source allowing you to ship an item prohibited by state law to customers within that state. State regulation of commerce is respected only when preempted by federal law. Unless you get your kangaroo products cover by congress, California can restrict them within the borders of the state. Check in with our local CA based wineries who would love to ship to states that don't allow it.
Let's use an example - Massdrop vendors can not ship certain knives into Canadian states where they are prohibited. They will potentially be confiscated and the recipient can be fined. Usually isn't buy could be. Let's use another hypothetical - in a state where cannabis products are legal you can not use the commerce clause to then ship them into a state where they're not legal, can you?
I don't have an actual issue with kangaroo leather - the issue is observing state laws beach they're LAWS. The state gave businesses carrying kangaroo products years to liquidate stick so no one would be left holding soccer shoes they then couldn't legally sell.
The likelihood is good you could sell your kangaroo journals into my state without getting caught. But you shouldn't.
calmonteCalmonte,
I agree, and we are exploring the issue further. My response above was simply my best guess, we are working with Massdrop to conduct due diligence on the issue as we speak.
The thing that makes this complicated legally is that possession of Kangaroo leather goods is not illegal in California, only possession with intent to sell. So the recipient isn't breaking the law as is the case in the examples you've mentioned.
Additionally, due to massdrop's unique business model - there is no legal precedent that we have found yet to make it clear who the seller is.
Essentially it comes down to where the sale itself legally happens, and this is still new territory in ecommerce. If the sale happens in Illinois, to a California citizen, then neither party is breaking the law. If the sale is legally defined as taking place in California, then it is restricted. We are working to figure that out now.
Thank you for keeping us posted about the recent change in law, and we will certainly be complying with any and all regulations if we can verify that they are applicable to this specific type of transaction.
- Chad
calmonteHey @calmonte, thanks for bringing this up.
We definitely want to comply with CA law, and I've forwarded this issue so that our legal team can let us know the best way to proceed. Note the holiday tomorrow, but I'll post as soon as I know more about any changes we'll have to make to the drop.
For anyone in CA who has joined, or is thinking about joining the drop, please be aware that we may not be able to fulfill your order due to legal restrictions.
Thanks all!
calmonte
Feb 13, 2016
Not saying it's not possible to get it, but it is illegal. Massdrop - do you ship items to states where they're prohibited by state law?