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iwendt
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Oct 4, 2023
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The specs for these are all jacked up. This is not a stand-alone full range speaker like the description says. This is an add-on for your existing speakers, and it sure as hell doesn't have a frequency response of 8hz to 40khz. More like 8 KILO hertz.
iwendt
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Oct 4, 2023
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1-T-O-MDespite my best efforts and the vagaries of time, I can still manage up to about 15khz, but yeah this is a sort of odd product to begin with, one that should be redundant if you have half-way decent speakers to begin with. And oh boy, if people buy this expecting it to be a full-range speaker... Yikes.
awdspyder
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Oct 5, 2023
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iwendtI've yet to meet anyone, anywhere that can adequately explain to me why anyone with a decent bookshelf with a tweeter than can reach over 20khz (like a Verus Grand, for instance) would need a product like this.
I'm in my 40's and like you can hear up to 15-16khz, and that's with closed-back cans and perfect silence in the house. No way I'd even be able to tell these were playing with real content, unless the timbre match was just God-awful.
Then again, people buy hi-res all the time...
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P-_-D
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Oct 5, 2023
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awdspyderBecause there is far more to sound quality than reaching frequency tiers; such as texture, imaging, staging, accuracy, and power handling/distortion. Some people love the mid- and low end drivers on a speaker, but dislike the tweeters. Super tweeters allow them to turn an imperfect speaker into far better speaker. This Super Tweeter wouldn't typically be used by someone who isn't already bi-amping their speakers, & it's very unlikely it'd be used with a bookshelf speaker without existing bi-amp connections--could be done but only by setting the crossover pre-speaker-wire. The cheapest new-model bookshelves that are bi-ampable start around $700/pair, so adding these Super Tweeters to that basically double the price. Someone isn't likely going to do that unless they love their mid-& bass but hate their built-in tweeter, or just hate it in a particular room if the move their speakers around. These would more likely be used on bookshelves or towers of $1200/pair or more. Plus, once you buy Super Tweeters you can move them to any speakers you want(even if it is a bad idea), so you can buy them for life.
awdspyder
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Oct 5, 2023
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P-_-DSorry, still not buying it. I respectfully disagree that slapping these on top of say, a Dave Fabrikant-designed speaker, is going to in any way, shape or form improve objective response.
"Better" is subjective, of course, so I aim for "faithful to the signal" aka, a flat response. If you prefer these for some reason, more power to you - it's your hobby (and money). But I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that these will make 99.9% of well-designed speakers sound objectively worse. The other 0.1% just got lucky.
iwendt
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Oct 6, 2023
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P-_-D"The cheapest new-model bookshelves that are bi-ampable start around $700/pair"
That's objectively not true. You can find speakers with bi-wire/bi-amp capabilities brand-new for under half that for the pair.
And really, even if that were true, in what universe does it make sense to throw another 600+ dollars at a speaker that you hate the treble on? Sell it and buy something you like instead.
P-_-D
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Oct 7, 2023
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iwendtBi-ampable "New model" as in recently released at the MSRP, yes, some people like to wait for sales. But at least you got my point that these tweeters aren't likely to be used on cheap speakers that aren't audiophile-quality in the first place. Also, "Hate" was just the extreme example, someone can "like" their current tweeters, but just desire to improve the top end slightly by changing the tweeters, to go perhaps from their 90% ideal sound to 99% ideal.
iwendt
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Oct 8, 2023
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P-_-DWharfedale alone has 3 different models on their books right now at way less than 700 per pair, at MSRP.
You would be far better off just finding a speaker that you like the treble on than trying to integrate a pair of super tweeters. The potential issues around directivity, imaging, and other interactions that you might have to deal with just seems like a wonderful way to waste a lot of time and money that could be spent more productively. That's before you even get into the silliness of a tweeter that extends to 40Khz.
P-_-D
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Oct 8, 2023
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iwendtNow you're beginning to discover what being an audiophile is all about. Those Wharfedales have major directivity errors at their crossover point, between 2kHz-3kHz, due to the beam size difference between the tweeter & the woofer. Those speakers will not work well on hard floors nor low-ceiling rooms, both combined make the error much worse without major room absorption. Their sound quality due to that directivity error is totally dependent on the room, and to make the speaker sound good requires EQ between 2kHz-3kHz. This Super Tweeter will not help this particular 2kHz-3kHz Wharfedale error since the Super Tweeter output starts at 8kHz, although it might fix other Wharfedale issues above 8kHz. So while you can find maybe 6 pair (looking at Crutch.) of bi-ampable bookshelf speakers at under $700 MSRP, they aren't audiophile enough to not require EQ for the woofer/tweeter crossover or have other similar issues, and thus wouldn't be a consideration for the average target market of the Super Tweeter, audiophiles. Now, that doesn't mean someone using Wharfedale Diamond 12.0, 12.1, or 12.2 couldn't buy the Super Tweeters, of course they could if they just wanted those speakers to sound better from 8kHz-40kHz--it just isn't very likely. Like I said, you'll find Super Tweeters more likely used on speakers from $1,200/pair & up, but you retain that right to put them on sub-$100 speakers if you desire.
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