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samelight100
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Mar 25, 2018
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i would rather pay a little more (around $250) for a sony wh-1000xm2 or QC35 II.
poteetb1
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Audio-Technica
Mar 25, 2018
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samelight100Wow, that is an apples to orangutans comparison. Both of the models above are Bluetooth, definitely tuned for ANC on a plane.
Its not always about price point. The 1000 and QC are nice headphones but, not sure you would use them for long term critical listening. Of course you might not use these that way either. YMMDWV
samelight
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Mar 25, 2018
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poteetb1yes, they ar bluetooth and thats why they should cost much more. if u dont like bluetooth, u could just plug the cable in use them as wired headphones. i dont c any reasons why they cannot use for long term critical listening.
also yes , always about the price, this is written on the name of this website.
poteetb1
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Audio-Technica
Mar 27, 2018
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samelightComment was only intended to explain that with the level of noise cancelling built into both models you mention, they would muddle / attenuate some frequencies just by the nature of ANC. Now the Sony is a different matter it is Hi-Res compatible via the cable as are the MSR7NC, If you have found the Sony for $250, please private message me so I can get a look in that honey hole. I would buy another pair in a hot minute. They are a very good headphone with some great ANC tech.
Cheers!
samelight100
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Mar 27, 2018
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poteetb1ur comment explained what? becoz they ar bluetooth and suitable for "plane" use, therefore they ar " muddle / attenuate " and therefore MSR7NC is better ? i don't understand the logic behind this. ar u saying sony and bose stupid enough to turn the frequencies into "muddle / attenuate" just becoz some customers may use it on a plane??
btw do u know the "atmospheric pressure optimization" for the 1000xm2 ? cut the crap plz!
for the price, https://www.jbhifi.com.au/headphones-dj/headphones/sony/sony-1000xm2-wireless-noise-cancelling-over-ear-headphones-black/509843/ $269aud($206usd) at jb-hifi now. http://oi66.tinypic.com/11ruoa0.jpg from Costco Australia, $280aud thats around $217usd, yes of coz u need to join the $6 a month membership. $287aud ($225usd) + Postage from http://i63.tinypic.com/308cmch.png $312 aud ($241usd) from Harvey Norman, and more... you could say its from Australia not US, but if Costco Australia selling it for $280aud, i dont think Costco US will go much higher.
for the price, https://www.jbhifi.com.au/headphones-dj/headphones/sony/sony-1000xm2-wireless-noise-cancelling-over-ear-headphones-black/509843/ $269aud($206usd) at jb-hifi now. http://oi66.tinypic.com/11ruoa0.jpg from Costco Australia, $280aud thats around $217usd, yes of coz u need to join the $6 a month membership. $287aud ($225usd) + Postage from http://i63.tinypic.com/308cmch.png $312 aud ($241usd) from Harvey Norman, and more... you could say its from Australia not US, but if Costco Australia selling it for $280aud, i dont think Costco US will go much higher.
shakunetsu
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Apr 2, 2018
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samelight100"i don't understand the logic behind this. ar u saying sony and bose stupid enough to turn the frequencies into "muddle / attenuate" just becoz some customers may use it on a plane??"
This comment is very funny because this is exactly correct. These headphones are designed for very aggressive noise cancellation - and noise cancellation is not magic. There is a tradeoff with how much external noise can be reduced and how that impacts the sound.
There is a large market for this kind of aggressive NC and this is primarily what those headphones are targeted for.
Honestly though your expectations are not invalid, I think AT made a mistake marketing these as NC phones.
This comment is very funny because this is exactly correct. These headphones are designed for very aggressive noise cancellation - and noise cancellation is not magic. There is a tradeoff with how much external noise can be reduced and how that impacts the sound.
There is a large market for this kind of aggressive NC and this is primarily what those headphones are targeted for.
Honestly though your expectations are not invalid, I think AT made a mistake marketing these as NC phones.
samelight100
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Apr 2, 2018
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shakunetsuNo ! what this guys saying is sony and bose over done the NC, so that it could sound great in mid air and horrible on the ground ( muddle / attenuate).
You ar right there is a trade off between the sound quility and NC, but that tradeoff is for all NC headphones including this one from AT, sony and bose made the noise cancellation more aggressive doesn't mean they traded off more, also doesn't mean AT sounded better after this kind of trade off.
Specially when they both (1000xm2 and qc35 II) have the ability to set NC level which u can control how much u want to "trade off", i don't c whats AT got anything to compete with.
And finally YES, AT made a mistake marketing these as NC phones with this price.
shakunetsu
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Apr 2, 2018
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samelight100I think you are exaggerating what was said in this thread. The differences are subtle but they exist - I don't think anybody said anything about them being so extreme that they cause those phones to sound "horrible" in a quiet setting.
The main takeaway here is that the phones you mentioned are purpose built for the airplane or train scenario and comparing them to the MSR7NC is not to your benefit.
Again, perhaps this is just a product with an extremely niche market. Not to knock Audio Technica but personally without being able to hear them side by side I would stick to the regular MSR7. I think any set of closed cans should do well enough to isolate from some office noise. If these are identical to the regular MSR7 with the NC disabled then perhaps it is a slight value-add.
Shopping for audio gear without being able to audition them is tough.
The main takeaway here is that the phones you mentioned are purpose built for the airplane or train scenario and comparing them to the MSR7NC is not to your benefit.
Again, perhaps this is just a product with an extremely niche market. Not to knock Audio Technica but personally without being able to hear them side by side I would stick to the regular MSR7. I think any set of closed cans should do well enough to isolate from some office noise. If these are identical to the regular MSR7 with the NC disabled then perhaps it is a slight value-add.
Shopping for audio gear without being able to audition them is tough.
samelight100
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Apr 2, 2018
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shakunetsuThe word "muddle " for a heaphone means " horrible " to me, i don't c any " exaggerating " as i only quote and reply what he said.
Somthing built with the ability to suited airplane or train use doesn't mean it is the main purpose, and certainly doesn't mean MSR7NC is better in anyways.
This is not about the product or market, its when someone said he would rather buy something else, how they gonna reply as a representative. After i said that what he replied me is "bluetooth" "altitude" this kind of bs instead of how good their driver is compare to those 2. Don't get me wrong i got no problem with AT, just don't like the way he talks and treat me like a fool.
Somthing built with the ability to suited airplane or train use doesn't mean it is the main purpose, and certainly doesn't mean MSR7NC is better in anyways.
This is not about the product or market, its when someone said he would rather buy something else, how they gonna reply as a representative. After i said that what he replied me is "bluetooth" "altitude" this kind of bs instead of how good their driver is compare to those 2. Don't get me wrong i got no problem with AT, just don't like the way he talks and treat me like a fool.
poteetb1
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Audio-Technica
Apr 3, 2018
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samelight100Not sure where we separated in our discussion and thanks for pointing out the aggressive pricing.
In none of my comments did I suggest that MSR7NC was superior in any way. I merely pointed out, like in my previous posts that MSR7NC is not tuned / setup with the same type of ANC that you might expect to find on a headphone designed / marketed for as noise attenuation as the Bose and Sony models you mentioned.
That is all.
With any ANC circuitry there is some give and take of frequency response as you cancel out a non-desirable some desireable frequencies are always given up.
After my time in this industry, I have never set out to disparage another companies products or reputation. The models we have been discussing would not disappoint anyone.
poteetb1
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Audio-Technica
Apr 3, 2018
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shakunetsuPerhaps you were much better at communicating my thoughts than I was, thank you. I certainly did not mean to imply that the other 2 companies headphones were any less than our product. We make/made a comparable headphone the ATH-ANC9, that reduced noise by up to 95%, had 3 different levels. That model would be a model I would recommend for an airplane. Tough to explain MSR7NC's ANC circuit, it was tuned to be more subtle than what we use/d in our ATH-ANC9.
poteetb1
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Audio-Technica
Apr 3, 2018
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samelight100If you feel like I treated you with anything other than respect, I regret it.
I like all other enthusiast enjoy sharing my opinion, and my understanding of the way technologies have been implemented in different headphones.
I am definitely a fan of the products I represent at Audio-Technica, but, I would never intentionally bash another manufacturers product for any reason. I certainly respect the opinions of others here, I learn something new every day.
Best to you and appreciate every comment you shared.
samelight100
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Apr 3, 2018
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poteetb1Appreciate ur reply but technically saying others ar "muddle / attenuate" is one way of "bashing".
Once again, some headphones implemented in a certain way doesn't mean it got to be sounding worse , its a trade off but doesn't necessarily means ur product got better out come.
Therefore when ppl saying hes rather get something else u don't threw out the "bluetooth" "altitude" craps like ppls ar idiots they will belive anything u said.
And even worse, u made a practical joke about what i said of the price, u ar sneaky on the "bluetooth /altitude" urself but accusing me of lying ? i don't c any respects from that, its not an aggressive pricing, its --a honey hole that u would buy another pair in a hot minute ,
u said that not long ago, remember?
Anyway... u have a nice day.
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