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Drop + Gareth Bull Miura Front Flipper Knife
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As powerful as a bull and as graceful as a matador, the Miura is our first front flipper—and first collaboration with designer Gareth Bull. Get this S35VN titanium liner lock in rosewood or carbon fiber.
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keyboard_arrow_downKavik
5531
Jul 22, 2020
Remember when milled titanium slab handles, in this same old steel, made by this same manufacturer, could be had in collabs here for like $125?
reswright
3851
Aug 16, 2020
I, too, am gonna pass and leave this one for the people speculating on resale value, and the people who really just need to own a Gareth Bull knife while he's the hottest name in town. The material choices and name hype aren't really doing it for me. Moreover the stakes are a little higher with front flippers that you're going to end up with a knife you don't want to use all that much because it's a PITA to open correctly, the detent's gotta be lighter than it is on a regular flipper or you'll chew the snot out of your thumb trying to open the thing. $225 is a tall ask for all that without some existing feedback on how gentle the action is.
Besides if you're hankering for a good front flipper, a little bird told me that there's going to be an exclusive jade G-10 Metamorph offered through Drop relatively soon. Not 100% sure about the configuration but they're usually front flippers, Metamorphs, they're wicked as fuck and Ostap Hel will let his designs go for a much more reasonable price than Gareth Bull is currently commanding.
The Drop Bull Miura is gorgeous looking, I'll give it that. But like you note, I can get a lot more knife for the money. I just splashed out on a newly released TwoSun/Tepe Designs with titanium and S110V; moreover I spent well more to get it than I typically have to pony up for a TwoSun. But even with those better materials, and knowing that the best TwoSun deals come several months after model release when the eBay furor has died down, it was still, hot off the press, some $50 cheaper than this.
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reswright
3851
Aug 16, 2020
reswrightThis would be such an easy decision at $150 to $170, but $225...I don’t know
Whereas I might have even paid more than $225 if it had a top flight steel and either a regular flip tab or a front flip tab that's proven to be well executed. CF and Elmax? I might have had to say yes to that.
Nah, I think this is Drop cashing in a little bit, and I feel like I'm going to go ahead and let them do that on their own. :)
john.webb
422
Drop Studio
Jul 22, 2020
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We are elated to announce the launch of the Gareth Bull Miura Front Flipper Knife. It's our first time working with Gareth and our first front flipper collab. It's certainly a gentleman's knife that has lots of clean style, built solid at We Knife with the best materials one can find. We look forward to putting lots of these in people's pockets.
League544
535
Aug 1, 2020
Well maybe I was exaggerating but actually 20% seems like a pretty accurate number considering the corrosion resistance.
not only will you have a tough time cutting anything with these overly thick blades but if you do cut anything and you end up forgetting see your knife inside of a lemon or your knife is leaning against a slice of lemon or orange or anything overnight and you look at your knife well now that it’s rusted that’s terrible and that can only get even worse unless you immediately remove it. The rust compromises the blade steel in a way that is understated.
The 20% mark is factoring everything, even blade thickness. Overall I would say I would rather have one Vanex played in the worst situations see the shit hit the fan I think a Vanax blade with last five times longer than an s35vn blade in a span of 100 years. 20 years from now an improperly treated s35vn will be a rust magnet, 100 years s35vn is rust itself. 100 years Vanax still looks SuperClean and shiny like it’s brand new. I’m really huge on diminishing returns I will pay big money for diminishing returns because no matter how diminishing they are the fact that the stack up makes them non-diminishing and worth it.
To match the value of Vanax, s35vn should cost 20% of what a Vanax blade does, Vanax makes m390/20cv look SILLY even, s35vn compared to Vanax like comparing a bmw to a Bugatti, lol.
method_burger
563
Aug 3, 2020
League544uh... i'm looking at all my we knives, and they're ground rather thinly, and no issues with corrosion (except the ferrum forge gent collab, but thats due to a poor surface finish, the steel itself is not at fault. also it was like 80$, so it's fine)
also, thats not how steel is priced, especially in knives. most knife steels arent made for knives, m390 is a good example of a non-knife steel steel (i dont know all the uses, but it is used for critical components in plastic manufacturing). s35vn was made pretty much exclusively with knives in mind. that and because of the extensive marketing around it, created a very high demand which dropped the price. sure m390 and vanax are better performers s35vn, but not on the level of demand it generates.
last note, fun fact about powdered metallurgy, when compared to traditional billets for complex alloys, it iss actually cheaper to manufacture, and you can tweak chemical composition to a very fine degree. a lot of what you pay for is in the initial cost of buying the machines, relative low demand compared to say surgical stainless steel, and the marketing behind 'powdered metallurgy' hype.
RJCB
17
Jul 23, 2020
Estimated ship date: Feb. 3, 2021? Really?? I have to wait almost 7 months for this knife?! Are they waiting for the rosewood trees to mature?
League544
535
Aug 16, 2020
Sorry for the extremely late response I just saw this message now thanks to why can’t it be called.
please look at my response to his post for the answer but the quick answer is you either can only buy it on their website or on eBay for a huge markup I saw the last one sell for 400 bucks used with the unpopular stone wash blade version.
League544
535
Aug 16, 2020
I don’t know man they have verified that the Vanax is from Bohler (people who make m390 etc), and heat treated by Peters from Cold Steel (most widely respected and accurate heat treater in the world)
Regardless of where it’s made, the BLADE is Austrian (basically Germany), and it’s probably heattreated in the USA, then exported to get assembled in who cares where? Ultimately the fit and finish is second to none, the milling of the titanium, the lightweightness for how big of a blade it is relatively speaking, hollow blade shape which is widely regarded as people’s favorite blade shape.
This knife is easily the greatest knife ever made without a doubt, and this cannot be argued in any way possible. It is superior in every single way to any knife you can name for it’s size/form factor.
For reference, I’ve only seen their knife get put on sale for a total of seven days in the past six months. Good luck finding one on their website, it clearly costs them an arm and a leg to work with Vanax (considering this steel some of the hardest steel to work with Spyderco specifically said they will not work with this steel because it’s an absolute nightmare) if they made so much profit you would have seen them continue to make them however they have not restocked in months and that shows that clearly they are not making much profit if all of their other knives are getting stocked.
300 for a VANAX knife (Only production Vanax knife on earth), with MILLED titanium is fantastic. I wouldn’t sell this knife for any less than 800 if it got up to that on Ebay, I’ve never been so enthralled and satisfied with a knife. It’s like if I tried to make a knife this is the type of knife I would make and I’m sure this is the knife everybody secretly wants, it even has a THIN blade stock, so rare to find nowadays, and this is SOOOOO important for cutting, nobody needs a doorknob knife, these companies think that people are in an action movie or something and they need something grotesquely thick that cuts like shit.
Keep in mind that Vanax outcuts even s35vn/m390, it holds an edge just as long as pretty much any blade on earth, while also basically being completely rust proof; it’s even more rust proof than LC200n, which was a steel developed by NASA for corrosion resistance
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14themoney
1395
Jul 22, 2020
For less than $10 more, you can have a Spydiechef, Ti scales and LC200N blade.
For $74.00 less, you can have a WE Practic. M390. Scales G10, CF, or copper.
For $17.00 less, you can have a Spyderco Manix 2 LW with Maxamet.
For a few dollars less, you can nave a Bestech Swordfish, Paladin, Warwolf, and Beluga. D2.
I own(ed) all of these except the Manix with maxamet. Mine has S90V. While I have not held this one, I feel the price is overblown for the materials. The black blade against the Rosewood is quite striking. It's beautiful. If I am going to spend this much on a knife, it will be to replace the Spydiechef.
And I don't know about this pre-ordering stuff. I have done this before. I picked up a couple of Spydercos, SuperBlue and Hap40. And probably something else. I was told up front that it would be a long time. It was. 6+ months. But I have not seen such up front honesty from this group. I am willing to cut drop some slack because of CoVid, but they need to learn what in stock means. I ordered a knife from KC last week end and it was in my mail box on the following Tuesday. Others can do this, Jonas. What is the real reason that you can't be on par with other knife sellers on the Internet. Or Peter Sellers. I'm going to see if I can get Inspector Clouseau on the case.
14themoney
1395
Jul 23, 2020
That is one of the reasons that I have purchased a lot more knives from KC than here.
Bobraz
2631
Jul 25, 2020
14themoneyI agree with your statements, except the one about being in stock. This is clearly labeled a pre-order; they actually have to manufacture the knives in Asia, then ship them to the USA, QC them in the USA, and if all is well, distribute them to buyers. That's why it's a very long delay, compared to what other retailers have in stock (i.e. already manufactured goods).
I don't think it's fair to hold that delay against Drop, IMHO. They are offering a pre-order, not an immediate purchase. It's clear from the description...
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Ares78
1502
Keyboard Club Member
Jul 22, 2020
Drop: I am increasing the price. Pray I don't increase it any further.
Me: These prices are getting worse all the time.
Cuzdoug
5
Jul 23, 2020
This is spot on. The ridiculousness of wanting all these "super steels" to what...cut up some cardboard? 🤣
flowerman8
78
Jul 24, 2020
You are definitely right that enthusiast knives are more expensive fidget toys than cutting tools. But part of the price is the quality of materials. Basically the fact that I don't get the most out of the steel doesn't mean I should also get ripped off.
So, yeah a straightforward design with s35vn from We should cost more like $175 especially when all of their new offerings are in m390. There's also the fact that the philosophy of drop is that the preorder and exclusive nature is supposed to result in a good deal which definitely is not the case here. It's really just cashing in on Gareth Bull's name right now.
aman1420
172
Jul 22, 2020
I like how much more this costs vs. the Brad Zinker collabs using very similar materials. Cool. Makes me like Gareth even less, lol.
aman1420
172
Jul 23, 2020
jayonnaiseYou are 100% correct - though the Prism actually dropped considerably in price, and the Heatseeker collab uses standard materials (and cost in terms of additional material volume used is negligible on a unit-to-unit basis, at least that's my understanding). It is what it is, everyone needs to make a buck in the end.
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hocman
6
Aug 11, 2020
Inspired by the Legend?
Have you ever brought this to the Legend himself? As what I knew, Bob has never signed off this design. Anyone wants to chime in?
Omniseed
1972
Jan 7, 2021
it is funny to consider what these people are suggesting, that Drop should treat the designers they partner with like suspected con men
chefk021983
3
Jan 18, 2021
OmniseedThey did after it became public knowledge they dropped all mention of Bob lol.
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