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Fox Knives Suru M390 Frame Lock – Drop Exclusive
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Fox Knives Suru M390 Frame Lock – Drop Exclusive
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The Jesper Voxnaes–designed Suru won Blade Show’s 2018 “Overall Knife of the Year” award. Sporting a Drop-exclusive combination of Bohler M390 steel, a Ergal 7075 aluminum handle, and a bold blue colorway, this version is even better Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downanonomous
558
Jan 10, 2020
FOX have the worst m390 performance in the market. The value due to this is so low. They just use m390 because it's popular to sell knives. The heat treatment is not going to perform as well as lesser steels.
Fox, lionsteel, viper, mkm, etc all use the same m390 heat treatment profile at the same ht facility in Italy. All these companies also grind there knives dry introducing more heat and ruin the temper also. Ht for these brands is done at Trattamenti Termici Todesco SAS and the profile was developed by lionsteel. You can even read that LionSteel tested there own m390 and it performs poorly for them also. In this thread they even got advice to make it better but ignored it. https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/lionsteel-steels.1168429/
You can watch the cut tests on the poor performance of Italy m390 at Outpost 76 on YouTube.
Manufacturers that can't do it properly shouldn't be using this steel. Just scamming customers. Bringing the value of there knives down.
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OmegaMullet
41
Jan 10, 2020
Can Drop please confirm that the Handle: Titanium? All other Fox models (minus carbon fiber) have aluminum handles, that makes a huge difference.
DrBlazer
61
Jan 10, 2020
Thank you. I'm going to ask to get out of this. I should've known that it wasn't titanium. As I said before, I've never seen this anodization color on titanium and I still haven't. Oh well, Drop has a knack for having the wrong dimensions, materials and descriptions of knives. When two of my Gents arrived with stripped Phillips head pivot screws, their answer to my warranty was that it was used error and they would not replace the screws or pivot, even though current Gents use a different pivot because of this problem. Somehow, without even have used the knives they blame it on user error. They also have me see assistance in trying to replace the screws or pivots. Thankfully, Ferrum Forge was quick to respond and tried to help me, but still haven't provided new screws or pivots. But, I gave up last summer and just used a lot of red Loctite and haven't even tried to use them since then. It's dad because I want to live those knives. I even had custom macassar ebony and black & white thing scales made for them.
Kingdimofkush81
12
May 12, 2020
I appreciate the information. I only skimmed the comment and was admittedly sidetracked and jumped to a conclusion.
I fully agree with everything you've detailed here and in your linked post above. Thank you for taking the time to explain it. Hopefully some of these manufacturers that want to charge premium prices will start use steel that is worth that premium.
Over paying for bunk premium steel really sucks. I'd rather buy that same knife in something done right. Even if it's "only" Sandvik. At least I wouldn't be overpaying for under performance.
method_burger
563
May 17, 2020
yes and no.
as customers, we cant really look at the microstructure of the knife beforehand (unless you have visible microstructures like D2). therefore we use rockwell C, which gives some indication of how well the steel is heat treated. and we have to trust anecdotal evidence from other people who actually do these tests. its rather time consuming for regular knife folks. (side note, totally reminded of ZT when they started using s35vn and couldnt heat treat them properly. pretty sure they fixed that by now, its been years)
definitely made this mistake, when i accidentally decarbonized 0-1, but then i thought i would just heat treat it to a higher hardness. edge holding is complete crap, but it still maintained its toughness
kstokley
1284
Business Development
Jan 10, 2020
Update for those that joined the drop before this post. We mistakenly listed the handle as Titanium, but it is actually Aluminum. Our CS team will be reaching out to the members that have already joined with the option to cancel their orders should they no longer want the knife with an aluminum handle.
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Kakua72
7
Jan 10, 2020
kstokleyIt seems there should be a price adjustment based on this new information. Titanium is a very premium material, especially compared to aluminum. I would think that the price for this knife was set based on the incorrect information and subsequently, a price change and partial refund should be in order. Thank you.
kstokley
1284
Business Development
Jan 10, 2020
kstokleyWe have lowered the price by $10. Please note if you have already joined at $169 you will only be charged $159 when the drop is over.
Spokes30
180
Jan 12, 2020
What's new, DROP misses it again. I have gone from being a very active customer to hardly looking at the site anymore.
DrPatrickBateman
Jan 9, 2020
Have the orange model with Bohler N690. Very nice knice, but the detent is too heavy for me. This model runs lower price than the average going rate for the regular model right now, so I may pick it up because I love the form factor and I love m390.
InternetNameForMassdrop
32
Jan 10, 2020
Ouch, yeah...this stopped being a good deal. I got to delete my comment so somebody doesn't see it and think this knife is Ti. Thanks man.
DrPatrickBateman
Jan 11, 2020
InternetNameForMassdropAgreed, my comments were based on the titanium scales as well. I'll have to pass
Forcite
102
Jan 9, 2020
Is it just me or does the edge get way taller towards the tip? Is is supposed to look like that?
Bobraz
2631
Jan 9, 2020
ForciteI would assume this is done so the edge can intersect with the bevel on the spine, aka the swedge and still be solid and avoid broken tips.
jhopps
92
Jan 9, 2020
ForciteIt does, you're right. I have a different version and it's pretty thick blade stock so the tip would be very thick behind the edge if they didn't do the bevel grind that way. I have no concerns that the tip is vulnerable to damage in normal to hard use. It's not the thinnest behind the edge knife but mine has broken in very nicely and has great action from either the flipper tab or "spydie" hole. Great high end option for people who like small knives or live in an area with 2.5" restrictions.
AchBlades
11
Jan 15, 2020
I came back to buy this knife because the add I saw here in DROP said that its scales were TITANIUM. Huge mistake. For a stunning version of the titanium scaled SURU see Urban EDC Supply. Unfortunately, all blues are sold out...
Barry_Bogart
Jan 9, 2020
If you think this is a little pricey, look at the Spyderco Spy-DK now around $35! It has slightly cheaper materials (690Co, FRN) but also made in Maniago. It has a longer blade and a third less weight. I believe that Voxnaes had a hand in its design too.
Barry_Bogart
Jan 9, 2020
Yes, but arguably the best slip joint. The detent open, closed and at 90 degrees is VERY strong.
Kizer
116
Jan 9, 2020
Barry_BogartMade in Maniago isn't necessarily a good thing. They are a bit hit and miss, especially re tempering, which is mostly miss.
Motorcityschmidty
40
Jan 9, 2020
I own the orange model. Nice knife, but very thick behind the edge. The detent ball broke off on the first day and had to send back to Italy for warranty work. Took over 2 months to get back.
has been perfect ever since. Owned for over a year now.
InternetNameForMassdrop
32
Jan 10, 2020
Thanks for telling me, I almost bought it thinking it was a good deal. You saved me, internet hero!
Itzenplitz
34
Jan 10, 2020
InternetNameForMassdropYou would have done the same.
Thank you.
Gotta look out for each other.
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