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zoomorph
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Jul 13, 2015
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zoomorph
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Jul 13, 2015
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A community member
Jul 13, 2015
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zoomorphI've got an LH Labs Geek Wave being custom built for me, so I won't be joining this. I'll use it while working at my desk with my UM PRO30s. Just because you can't afford it or can't think of a use situation for it doesn't mean it's dumb or those who could afford it or want it are dumb. Hopefully someday you'll be mature enough to realize that it's okay for people to be different from yourself.
Zilvent
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Jul 13, 2015
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zoomorphWould you say the same about headphones as well? I honestly would have to disagree with you if you said yes. I plan on buying a good DAP so I can't disagree on your statement. It might be a waste or it could very well be a worthwhile purchase.
I use IEMs so it doesn't really matter if it's loud or quiet as I can hardly head stuff out of them, if any. I would discredit this players completely. It's up to you, just as with anybody else, to purchase these things.
Out of curiosity, what made you post something like your comment on this drop?
zoomorph
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Jul 14, 2015
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ZilventSpending $600 on headphones can be a good purchase, depending on what ones you buy, of course, and what you'll use them for.
Spending that much on a portable music player is almost certainly not a good idea. You're better off buying a laptop, harddrive, and soundcard or DAC/Amp. You can probably get all of those on the cheap for around $600 and you'll get equal performance plus far more versatility and far more storage space for your 24bit FLAC files.
Most users only use portable music players on the go (at the gym, jogging, driving, etc). These environments are never silent, ideal listening environments. Even in a silent listening environment with $1000 headphones, I can't hear a difference between 16 and 24bit. The chance that anyone will hear the difference on a portable music player is about nil.
Spending that much on a portable music player is almost certainly not a good idea. You're better off buying a laptop, harddrive, and soundcard or DAC/Amp. You can probably get all of those on the cheap for around $600 and you'll get equal performance plus far more versatility and far more storage space for your 24bit FLAC files.
Most users only use portable music players on the go (at the gym, jogging, driving, etc). These environments are never silent, ideal listening environments. Even in a silent listening environment with $1000 headphones, I can't hear a difference between 16 and 24bit. The chance that anyone will hear the difference on a portable music player is about nil.
Zilvent
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Jul 14, 2015
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zoomorphGood point. I can definitely understand that reasoning. However, I don't see the ability to carry a nice DAC, Amp, and the whole setup as a viable option. While I do agree that price to performance is undeniably better on the setup you mentioned, I can't help but mention portability. I can't carry my computer on me but I can do another small device like a DAP. It's like saying it makes no sense on buying a gaming laptop when a desktop is more powerful.
Anyways, that's neither here or there. You might think it's a waste but someone else might not. I certainly think that there is percale difference and need for a device like this. Just watch out because some guys who take stuff too personal will twist your words and make it sound like you are telling people are stupid or whatever for purchasing this. I certainly understand that you know that people are entitled to like what they like and that products can be "worth" enough to warrant purchase. Just watch out man. I hate seeing people get all huffy puffy about this stuff. You buy what you want. If you don't hear the difference, cool. If some other guy does, awesome. We are all different. It is what it is.
zoomorph
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Jul 14, 2015
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ZilventI'm aware that there could be some niche scenarios out there where this product is practical for a small minority of people. I would never claim that such a scenario does not exist, only that it doesn't exist for the vast majority of people.
It would be great if anyone in that small niche could describe such a scenario for us where: 1) High sound quality (ie. lossless, 24bit) matters, and 2) It's impractical to use a bigger setup (ie. laptop, DAC/Amp)
It would be great if anyone in that small niche could describe such a scenario for us where: 1) High sound quality (ie. lossless, 24bit) matters, and 2) It's impractical to use a bigger setup (ie. laptop, DAC/Amp)
Zilvent
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Jul 14, 2015
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zoomorphDon't get me wrong. I'm not trying to state that you would as I realize that you're better than that. But I'm just making sure that the trolls don't have a say on this.
Being a student, I value everything being as portable as possible. When I have my Westone UM Pro 50s with custom eartips, I cannot hear anything outside when I am playing music. So I am pretty much able to hear anything and everything in my music. I don't need to pull out a DAC and Amp with my laptop just to play music when I can use a DAP for the same scenario. Now and days, these players really do give full sized setups a run for their money. I am not always by my gaming desktop since I'm am up and about. So I can see the use of having an expensive DAP for scenario 2. Another problem is that I like my smartphone and DAP separate. For Android, the SQ is far in between the good and horrible. So I need something that sounds awesome but functions (UI and Playback Design) good as well. As for if you can hear the difference between 16 and 24 or lossless and high bitrate lossy, that's a thing I'm unsure of. I feel I can hear the difference, but it could also be psychoacoustics. Honestly, I don't see the value of spending a couple grand on DAPs like AK380 and the like. But if I had that type of money, I guess I would too.
Being a student, I value everything being as portable as possible. When I have my Westone UM Pro 50s with custom eartips, I cannot hear anything outside when I am playing music. So I am pretty much able to hear anything and everything in my music. I don't need to pull out a DAC and Amp with my laptop just to play music when I can use a DAP for the same scenario. Now and days, these players really do give full sized setups a run for their money. I am not always by my gaming desktop since I'm am up and about. So I can see the use of having an expensive DAP for scenario 2. Another problem is that I like my smartphone and DAP separate. For Android, the SQ is far in between the good and horrible. So I need something that sounds awesome but functions (UI and Playback Design) good as well. As for if you can hear the difference between 16 and 24 or lossless and high bitrate lossy, that's a thing I'm unsure of. I feel I can hear the difference, but it could also be psychoacoustics. Honestly, I don't see the value of spending a couple grand on DAPs like AK380 and the like. But if I had that type of money, I guess I would too.
jkct
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Jul 14, 2015
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zoomorphscenario: i'm going on vacation and spending a couple of weeks someplace nice. i plan on bringing good headphones and listening to music some of the time, sitting on a lounge chair overlooking the water. a portable music source of high quality is ideal. i listen to redbook, flac. so only 16 bits, but lossless. i took the tidal test. i never picked the low quality mp3. i picked the 320 for all the pop tunes, and the lossless for the one classical selection. i listen to classical music.
A community member
Jul 15, 2015
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zoomorphYour first message is actually right up there. I can read it. Your claim of this being for rich people to waste their money on is disparaging. You are saying you think it's wrong to spend money on this. And it's kinda cute how you don't understand how bigotry works.
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Jul 15, 2015
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zoomorphWalking in a park, camping, commuting, working in an office, flying. Just because it's not practical while flipping burgers at McDonald's doesn't mean it's stupid or a waste for other people.
crec4e
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Jul 16, 2015
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zoomorphI think the "top-end" of portable "high-end" audio is a lot cheaper than a home system. However, it is still expensive and a luxury item. There are diminishing returns once you go beyond a certain price point. Some people have money to spare and choose to spend on items like this.
I'd recommend for these types of niche products, Massdrop provides links to third-party reviews in the product description.
I'd recommend for these types of niche products, Massdrop provides links to third-party reviews in the product description.
wyd4
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Jul 17, 2015
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zoomorphA device like this is ideal for me as a one item fits all.
I commute 3-4 hours every day and listen to music a large part of every day when working using ciems. I can use this as a storage for the music I listen to most as I cannot keep music on my work laptop, and I can also use it as a dac when streaming tidal or even YouTube (yes it's not great quality but if you knew how terrible the soundcard is in my laptop....)
Thing is there are quite a few devices out there now that works for the bill, so need to ensure this is the actual one for me first.
For those who feel it's all snake oil or too expensive... Don't buy it :)
For those who feel it's all snake oil or too expensive... Don't buy it :)
EdinNJ
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Jul 19, 2015
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zoomorphUntil recently, I traveled three to five days a week, every week, for about 25 years. 90% of my listening to music was on the road. I had custom IEMs, very high quality, because they kept me from going deaf on those 20 hour flights to Asia, so they resolved VERY well. I also would travel with high end headphones for hotel rooms and airport lounges. Laptops don't sound as good as a standalone player or a laptop/DAC combo. Until recently, the best you could do for travel was 44/16 resolutions. I own some music in multiple resolutions, and everyone who's listened on my Fiio or rock boxed Sansa, or on my home stereo system, has been able to accurately identify highest, medium, and lowest resolution files on listening, with a couple of exceptions: my friend who went to probably 50 Ted Nugent concerts, along with concerts by Cactus, the Detroit Dogs, etc, and another friend who was in the artillery in Vietnam.
I'm happy to be able to listen to music now without headphones most of the time...
I'm happy to be able to listen to music now without headphones most of the time...
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Of course the product makes absolutely no sense. High-resolution music = stuff you can barely hear in a silent environment with good heads, let alone on the go on a portable music player. Brings nothing of value to the table and asks an outrageous price.