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A portable digital music player with impressive specs, the Hidizs AP60 Pro has gotten a lot of attention from the audiophile community. This new iteration improves upon the AP60 with an upgraded Sabre ESS9118C DAC chip and a maximum sampling rate of 44.1–384 kHz / 32 bit Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downGraham43
21
Oct 1, 2019
Seems to be mostly negative comments on here regarding this little unit. However i have read some good reviews online. Seems a little underpowered though.
I have been considering one of these DAP's one of several others in the same price range. So today i see that Drop has it on sale which would make it close to $110 AUD + postage for me , but after reading the negative comments about the Hidizs customer service and tactile buttons being an issue on this device maybe i'm thinking i'll go with a different brand and pay a little extra or wait for the November sales.
Does anyone who owns these have anything good to say about AP60 Pro that might convince me to grab one ?
JakeRoberts
240
Oct 1, 2019
Graham43Hey there, sound quality is good and it has no problems driving IEMs (Campfire Polaris, Fiio FH1 and Ostry KC09), and it gets loud with an Auditechnica M40X when in high-gain.
The problem is that more than a year after release, Hidizs has yet to release final firmware. Were still on 1.02 beta, which was published three weeks after the unit went on sale. But that's it, no other updates. Hidizs is known for shoddy firmware support. And to make things worse, people were forced to downgrade back to the shipping firmware, 1.01 beta, because 1.02 has a bug where the screen remains on after going on standby, draining the battery.
At least on my units, Bluetooth works (and yes, in Aptx if your IEMs/BT cable support the codec), but it is prone to cut outs by body interference. If you have the unit close to you, on a tableperhaps, and don't move it, transmissions work. But you may get cutouts if you start moving around.
I also have the problem of all buttons registering multiple clicks when pressed once.
Graham43
21
Oct 1, 2019
JakeRobertsThanks for that reply. Doesn't sound too crash hot. The firmware issue and the button registering multiple clicks would be a bit of a killer. WOuld not be needing bluetooth as only use wired iem's or my HD 58X.
Clay.Ad
7
Mar 17, 2019
False advertisement! This product does not support APTX Lossless at all. I use my M50xBT on this and no sound is coming out. Don’t buy anything from Hidizs. Hidizs have a terrible customer service. You have to die first before they reply.
hoodafukisalice
99
Oct 11, 2019
Clay.AdShouldn't Drop be taking down this listing? How do they allow their advertisers to blatantly lie and get away with cheating their customers?
Clay.Ad
7
Feb 7, 2019
Does anyone have experience using this player on bluetooth? It does not play music to my Audio Technica M50xBT when connected via bluetooth.
pummkin
42
Sep 30, 2019
Clay.AdI have the Hidizs AP60 II, which looks almost the same except for the colour and probably the DAC chip. Mine works very well but sometimes have issues with BT connection. I would power it off then on again to do another pairing. When you use wired headphones, you ought to turn off the BT. The wired version made my Motorola Pulse Escape+ sound like a full symphony orchestra playing in my brain! Tried it with my other headphones, Urbanears Plattan ADV, Plattan 2 both wired and they don't sound as good as the Motorola ones. BT connection on Sony MDR550BT is also not as good as listening to it with wires. Playtime on BT only gives you about 4 - 5hours on the unit but wired, you get about 10hrs, enough to last a long flight.
saturnfreeway
12
Sep 7, 2018
Over on Head-Fi, a Hidizs customer service rep has started to notice that some people actually own and use the AP60 Pro, and they are looking into solving any issues with the firmware. Here's the original message (Sept 7):
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Ok everyone! We created a survey for you to send all the issues feedbacks you have regarding the AP60 Pro here: https://goo.gl/forms/4hnzIz1Jz0MN33li2
We will transmit all the informations to the engineers asap, so please try to be as concise and clear as possible so we can identify the issues easier and find a solution to fix the issues Many thanks for your support!
We will transmit all the informations to the engineers asap, so please try to be as concise and clear as possible so we can identify the issues easier and find a solution to fix the issues Many thanks for your support!
Spork13
106
Aug 15, 2018
I bough this to replace my Fiio X1, which had become so sensitive on the controls that I was lucky to get it to play music at all. I use these in my car, so controls that work properly are vital.
I took the 32gb card, full of my fave FLAC's out of the Fiio and put it in this, and it worked perfectly!
Controls could be (MUCH) better - I was hoping for something that would default to "Play" once turned un, not have to go into a submenu each time to start the tunes happening, but I can live with that.
Now 32gb is a bit small for my music collection, so I bought a (cheap) 128gb card. That didn't go well. Spent hours (and hours and hours) copying several thousand FLAC files to the new card (I did format it in the player first) and most files were corrupted.
I tried again, a few albums at a time, and again one album, as music files only (no folders). At first this worked, but soon after the device was only recognising < 2/3 of the songs.
Well, serves me right for cheaping out on the memory card - so today a 128gb Samsung card arrived - and while copying my whole music library in one 6 1/2 hour file transfer didn't work it seems to be coping with 7-8 albums worth at a time. Fingers crossed...
Spork13
106
Aug 17, 2018
Spork13OK. Can now confirm it was the cheap, nasty SD card and not the unit at fault. Got pretty much my whole library on the Samsung card.
JakeRoberts
240
Jul 18, 2018
I got mine yesterday, and having not paid attention to the dimensions, I was struck at how freaking tiny it is! I paired it up with the Ostry KC09 IEMs that also arrived yesterday and the sound quality is great for such a small, overall package.
Unfortunately, the firmware still needs a lot of work and the physical control buttons have an issue where they register multiple presses from just one actuation. I'm running the firmware that came stock with the unit, version 1.01 Beta, and right now the back, enter, up and down buttons register multiple times when pressed only once. That makes it very, very hard to play a song or make a selection from menus.
By default, the AP60 Pro came with hi-gain mode enabled. On initial startup the unit hung up asking for an SDXC card to be inserted, which required a reboot to get it to boot normally. Upon first boot I was presented with the main menu; going into System Settings by pressing Enter once registered as two clicks, which launched me straight into menu language selection. Thankfully, English is the default language when you enter, but I can easily see people changing the language by accident due to the extreme sensitivity of the buttons.
Having set up the player, I inserted a 128GB Samsung Evo SDXC card which contains 875 songs. The player ingested around 10 to 15 songs a second, which wasn't bad at all. I'm still in the process of reorganizing my library for SDXC cards, so this is only a fraction of the 5,000+ songs I have. Still, pretty fast media ingestion.
Sound from the ESS Sabre 9018 is very nice, and the AP60 Pro didn't have problems driving the KC09 IEMs. I tried them briefly with the Fiio FH1 hybrid and the Campfire Polaris hybrid, and both sounded great. Sound is no problem, but the control buttons are.
No matter how careful I am with pressing the buttons once, they activate multiple times at least 90 percent of the time. This makes making selections really freaking hard... selecting albums launches you past the album and into the songs list due to the sensitivity issue. The same thing happens when navigating through folders.
The thing is, you hold down the Enter\Play button during music playback to access a second, radial menu that has options for low and hi-gain, music playback (repeat once, repeat all, shuffle, etc.), as well as options to add a song to a play list, favorite it, erase from the SDXC card, and so on. But again, due to the issue with the buttons, you pretty much end up selecting things you didn't want to do.
Another issue is that I haven't been able to get the AP60 Pro to recognize playlists. As configured, the SDXC card stores all music in a "My Music" folder I created using MusicBee. So the folder hierarchy is root\My Music\Artist Name\Album Name\music files. The M3U playlists are stored in root, and they properly point to where the music is stored on the SDXC card. Still, the AP60 Pro fails to see the playlists. Album, Artist and Genre navigation due work, and at least in Album navigation songs appear in the correct order, but I'm guessing that has to do more with the tags I placed using MusicBee, including song order. The Hiby R6 recognizes playlists stored this way, but the AP60 Pro doesn't. One thing the AP60 Pro does that the R6 doesn't is to properly list albums in alphabetical order.... for some reason the R6 lists albums any which way it damn pleases...
A second issue I found is that gapless playback cuts off the first second or first two seconds of every song. Also, pressing the Enter\PLay button cuts off the first one or two seconds of every song. This happens with both MP3 and FLAC files (don't have DSD files, so can't test if it also happens with those).
A third issue is the fact that playback controls get locked out once the screen shuts off. No matter how many times you hit Enter or the up and down buttons to change tracks, they do nothing unless the screen is on. The controls work when you're in the clock screen, so you don't even have to go back to the player screen to get them to work, but it's annoying. Volume controls do work while the screen is in standby, sound continues to play and it plays the next track when another ends. And I do have Power Saving Shutdown and Scheduled Power Off disabled. You can configure the volume buttons to act as track skip and rewind, but then you can't control the volume...
Finally, the AP60 Pro can take anywhere from five to 10 seconds to resume playback when coming off of standby. Hitting Enter\Play when you turn the screen on, you hear a click on the IEMs, which I interpret to mean they are getting a current again, but the music takes a long time to play... you have to press Enter\Play many times to get the AP60 to respond. So this could be either a firmware issue, an issue with the processor taking a long time to resume from standby, or yet another downside to the overly sensitive control buttons.
Portability is awesome, the screen is pretty sharp for its size and the sound reproduction is more than capable, but between the buggy firmware and the problematic control buttons, I'm considering returning the AP60 Pro for a refund. I don't think the button sensitivity issue can be fixed via firmware (seems to be the mechanism is physically broken or not working properly), and based on the experience from users of the AP60 II, its a problem that also plagued that unit.
Unfortunately, the firmware still needs a lot of work and the physical control buttons have an issue where they register multiple presses from just one actuation. I'm running the firmware that came stock with the unit, version 1.01 Beta, and right now the back, enter, up and down buttons register multiple times when pressed only once. That makes it very, very hard to play a song or make a selection from menus.
By default, the AP60 Pro came with hi-gain mode enabled. On initial startup the unit hung up asking for an SDXC card to be inserted, which required a reboot to get it to boot normally. Upon first boot I was presented with the main menu; going into System Settings by pressing Enter once registered as two clicks, which launched me straight into menu language selection. Thankfully, English is the default language when you enter, but I can easily see people changing the language by accident due to the extreme sensitivity of the buttons.
Having set up the player, I inserted a 128GB Samsung Evo SDXC card which contains 875 songs. The player ingested around 10 to 15 songs a second, which wasn't bad at all. I'm still in the process of reorganizing my library for SDXC cards, so this is only a fraction of the 5,000+ songs I have. Still, pretty fast media ingestion.
Sound from the ESS Sabre 9018 is very nice, and the AP60 Pro didn't have problems driving the KC09 IEMs. I tried them briefly with the Fiio FH1 hybrid and the Campfire Polaris hybrid, and both sounded great. Sound is no problem, but the control buttons are.
No matter how careful I am with pressing the buttons once, they activate multiple times at least 90 percent of the time. This makes making selections really freaking hard... selecting albums launches you past the album and into the songs list due to the sensitivity issue. The same thing happens when navigating through folders.
The thing is, you hold down the Enter\Play button during music playback to access a second, radial menu that has options for low and hi-gain, music playback (repeat once, repeat all, shuffle, etc.), as well as options to add a song to a play list, favorite it, erase from the SDXC card, and so on. But again, due to the issue with the buttons, you pretty much end up selecting things you didn't want to do.
Another issue is that I haven't been able to get the AP60 Pro to recognize playlists. As configured, the SDXC card stores all music in a "My Music" folder I created using MusicBee. So the folder hierarchy is root\My Music\Artist Name\Album Name\music files. The M3U playlists are stored in root, and they properly point to where the music is stored on the SDXC card. Still, the AP60 Pro fails to see the playlists. Album, Artist and Genre navigation due work, and at least in Album navigation songs appear in the correct order, but I'm guessing that has to do more with the tags I placed using MusicBee, including song order. The Hiby R6 recognizes playlists stored this way, but the AP60 Pro doesn't. One thing the AP60 Pro does that the R6 doesn't is to properly list albums in alphabetical order.... for some reason the R6 lists albums any which way it damn pleases...
A second issue I found is that gapless playback cuts off the first second or first two seconds of every song. Also, pressing the Enter\PLay button cuts off the first one or two seconds of every song. This happens with both MP3 and FLAC files (don't have DSD files, so can't test if it also happens with those).
A third issue is the fact that playback controls get locked out once the screen shuts off. No matter how many times you hit Enter or the up and down buttons to change tracks, they do nothing unless the screen is on. The controls work when you're in the clock screen, so you don't even have to go back to the player screen to get them to work, but it's annoying. Volume controls do work while the screen is in standby, sound continues to play and it plays the next track when another ends. And I do have Power Saving Shutdown and Scheduled Power Off disabled. You can configure the volume buttons to act as track skip and rewind, but then you can't control the volume...
Finally, the AP60 Pro can take anywhere from five to 10 seconds to resume playback when coming off of standby. Hitting Enter\Play when you turn the screen on, you hear a click on the IEMs, which I interpret to mean they are getting a current again, but the music takes a long time to play... you have to press Enter\Play many times to get the AP60 to respond. So this could be either a firmware issue, an issue with the processor taking a long time to resume from standby, or yet another downside to the overly sensitive control buttons.
Portability is awesome, the screen is pretty sharp for its size and the sound reproduction is more than capable, but between the buggy firmware and the problematic control buttons, I'm considering returning the AP60 Pro for a refund. I don't think the button sensitivity issue can be fixed via firmware (seems to be the mechanism is physically broken or not working properly), and based on the experience from users of the AP60 II, its a problem that also plagued that unit.
jotry
47
Aug 6, 2018
So far just asking if I upgraded to the latest firmware which I did. Just let them know that didn't work.
jotry
47
Aug 27, 2018
Did you get your replacement yet and tested it to see if that resolved the problem?
guttersnipe
15
Jul 11, 2018
Got mine a few days ago. Sounds better than my AP60 II, but the left & right front buttons (back and play/pause/enter, respectively) double-click more often than they single-click. Have been trying to find a work around to no avail. No such issue with the AP60 II... Hope to exchange, but do I go through Massdrop or Hidizs?
JakeRoberts
240
Jul 19, 2018
guttersnipeI'm having the same issue (read above), but I'll give MD support a try first. Unfortunately, my history with support is that they seldom have spare units for exchanges, so they offer a refund. Never tried Hidizs support, but being based in China, it could be hard To get an exchange. Either way, I don't think it's an issue that can be resolved via firmware updates, so I'll let you know how it goes.
sman
80
Jul 3, 2018
Beware the 1.02 beta update...it is buggy. Wait for the next update and stay on the provided firmware is my suggestion for now.
JonAngry
57
Jul 2, 2018
OneLoveOh, I was looking for small and light. It's definitely small, but has a little more heft than I expected, which I consider a danger in surviving falls. I think the included plastic case should keep it intact though.
OneLove
2964
Jul 2, 2018
JonAngrySo tiny I almost swallowed mine. 🤣 I just charged it and went through the menu, lots of options.
Size compare with Fiio Q5 amp
Size compare with Fiio Q5 amp
Icywolfe
137
Jun 30, 2018
Not sure if supposed to be this way, but this has like straight up less output power than my old cellphone. However I'm not going to be using it as I'll be tossing this to a family member so the lack of power isn't that bad.
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