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I was wondering other HD6 models drivers can be seen outside of the grill but on this model it is not the case. Then I found a foam covering the back of the ear pieces of this model that is perhaps absent in other model. Am I right? If so, can someone enlighten me why this headphones has such a foam and if it affects the soundstage and sound leakage?
They added it there to tweak the bass. No other HD 6 series headphone comes standard with foam in the grill.
Technically hd58x is not using a "HD6 models drivers", its a HD5 models driver and when u looking at other HD5 drivers most of them ar covering up like this.
With other "HD6 models drivers" the foam only covers the center of the driver and most hd5's cover the whole grill.
These are using a modified HD660s/HD700 150Ohm driver. I can tell you that pretty confidently.
dude u got anything to support what u said ? what made u say this so confidently ??
i have read this long ago, it just compare HD58x to HD660s.
not a word about "using a modified HD660s/HD700 150Ohm driver", the only thing close to that was "same ‘family’", which they got nothing to support that as well, so i guess what they really saying is "same sennheiser family".
And its just a comparison, if u compare hd58x to hd598 they got more similarities then HD660s, much much more !
"same impedance" its bs ! specially when one with a circuit board and the other one without !
with the circuit board u can make it 300Ohm easily, so can u say "using a modified HD800 300Ohm driver" like this ?
u know i hate ppl keep saying things like "its simular or a modified HD6 driver", the true is when u take it apart, it is a damn hd5 driver in design ! don't know about the materials but the layout is exactly the same as the hd5 drivers, ppl just treat u like u ar blind!
The hd6 and 7 got something in common thats the "clarity", and thats also something hd58x cannot compete.
Sure it might ”look” like the hd5 design but last time I checked headphone drivers are more about sound than looks. Sound and measurements are nothing like the 598 or any other 5 series. Also if you tear down the headphones there is clearly no circuit board in there turning an HD 5 series driver into a 150Ohm load. Sure you can easily turn a 32 ohm driver into a 600 ohm driver with a circuit board but you need a circuit board for that :P. It’s pretty obvious they’ve essentially modified the hd660s driver and slotted into an older driver assembly design. I think people tend to forget the actual driver part of a headphone is quite small compared to the overall driver assembly and this is especially the case for Senn headphones.
Turn it over dude!!! its not just "look" like a hd5 it is a hd5 in design.
For the "measurements" if u ar talking about the "frequency response", then yes u ar right, hd660 is more simular in measurements then hd598, but just fyi "frequency response" means nothing ! u could have the same "frequency response" but totally different sounding headphones.
there is a circuit board in HD 5 series, they didn't turn it to 150Ohm becoz of the market they targeted is for pc user without an amp.
u need to look closely to the drivers! It’s pretty obvious they’ve essentially modified the hd5s driver and slotted into an hd6 driver's frame! when u look at the frame that the hd6 design! but when u look closer at the driver itself ! c how they layout and how the air flow ! thats a damn hd5!
Dude chill out. The frequency response is a match and the distortion measurements match people’s subjective impressions of the sound say they sound sort of in between the 650s and 600s with the HD660s subbass and and dynamic sound. it sounds and measures like an HD 6 series headphone it’s pretty solidly an hd6 series headphone. If you’re paranoid that it isn’t just save yourself the stress and get a 6xx and be happy
dude claim down ! u don't even know whats "frequency response" means to a headphone, u should google it be4 talking about it. CSD is the one u need to look at when want to know what it sound like.
Once again "frequency response" means nothing ! u could have the same "frequency response" but totally different sounding headphones. It certainly won't give u any "subjective impressions of the sound".
And from the way u talks its pretty obvious that u have no clues of what u talking about, the manufacturer put the "frequency response" chart on just for tricking you and u took that as a support of similarities. MD put those "frequency response" as a side by side comparison but do they have the courage to say what u said? no ! they doing this to making u assume everthing without false advertising.
There are literally csd measurements in the report i linked you to. What in the world are you on about
wow chill out !! think be4 u say !
yes there ar csd measurements in the report ! but they ar NOT simular to the hd6 !!! thats why u didn't say the "csd" ar simular, u said the "freq res" ar simular, thats also why i replied u the "freq res" not matters, u should take a look at the "csd" below...
chill out and think dude!!
They mention it outright the driver is more akin to the 660s driver with changes: "This driver is closely related to the driver in the new HD660S. EDIT: Same size (both 38mm as confirmed by Sennheiser), same materials, there are some differences in the damping scheme and driver housing."
That alone, to me, sounds like it's a tweaked 660s driver and housing.
Also, these sound nothing like anything in the HD5 family. These sound wise and build wise, have a lot in common with the HD6 family. They have more in common with the 600/6XX/660s than they don't. Owning both the 58X and 6XX as well as comparing to my friends 600 and 598, it's easy to hear where the 58X lies.
Besides what’s your point exactly. Are you suggesting Massdrop and Sennheiser‘s master plan is to sell HD5 drivers as HD6 drivers for the same price as HD598s? I’m sorry buddy but I don’t see what you’re getting at.
"This driver is closely related to the driver in the new HD660S. EDIT: Same size (both 38mm as confirmed by Sennheiser), same materials, there are some differences in the damping scheme and driver housing."
this is the tricky part, "closely related to the driver in the new HD660S", by closely related i mean same size, same materials, BUT only the size are confirmed by Sennheiser. if "same size" = "closely related" then lots of headphone drivers ar "closely related".
And if u own a pair or 650 or 6xx, u would know it sounded much closer with those then the 660s.
Also if u own a pair of hd598, u would know that there is not much different between the hd598 hd58x and hd650 besides the details and clarity. so i don't know where u draw the line of hd5 and hd6, but in my opinion 58x just as muddy as 598 in mid, there is no way near the 6series.
whats my point? u really want me to repeat it over and over again ?
Stop putting the 58x next to the hd6 and make it looks like they ar the same level ! no! the sound quailty its between the 598 and hd6 but no way near or aka "extremely similar" to the 6 or even 7 series.
im suggesting Massdrop and Sennheiser‘s master put them side by side to make u think they ar simular in sound quality but they ar not !
im also suggesting u keep sayingsomething like "using a modified HD660s/HD700 150Ohm driver" to make others think they ar simular in sound quality but they ar not !
Stop misleading ppl ! their sound signature maybe close, but the quality ! by quality i mean the details or clarity or resolution whatever u want to call it ar no way near the hd6 series.
and btw, during the first drop amazon uk selling the 598 for $79, half price as the 58x.
is that clear enough for u now ?!
I don't think "muddy" means what you think it means (i.e. muddy = ill-defined, congested, the opposite of clean/clear). If you knew what the HD 600/660s sounded like, the 650/6XX would sound "muddy" to you. Of the HD6 family, the 650 is the "muddiest" of the bunch but is also the smoothest and most "veiled."While the 58X lacks the resolution and treble extension of the 600 and 660s, it does better in that regard than the 650 (maybe lacking a bit in overall resolution).
Also, it clearly states in the product description the 58X is using the NEW 150 ohm drivers. Couple that with the previous information I mentioned and this is again, more akin to the 660s driver with the aforementioned changes. You're the one speculating without any objective proof.
And for the record, the HD 598 sounds nothing like the 58X. Whether that's imaging, resolution, speed, soundstage, bass or treble extension. These two are farther apart than they are similar.
yes thats exactly what i mean by "muddy", compare to HD 600/660s, the 650/6XX do sounded "muddy" to me, congested but still got all the details in it, unlike the 58x congested and blurry, in this part there is no difference between 58x and 598.
yes ! it clearly states in the product description the 58X is using the NEW 150 ohm drivers, so when u saying "more akin to the 660s driver", u ar making speculating without any objective proof !! sennh and MD stated 58X is using the NEW 150 ohm drivers, not a word about the 660s and u that as a proof of ur assumptions ?!
And for the record, the muddy mid ar the same between HD 598 and 58X.
Sigh. You are absolutely irredeemable.
this is what ppl used to say when they ar running out of excuses.
No, just sick of trying to reason with the clueless and irredeemable. Have a good day internet rando.
A month ago i was in tokyo and tried alot of headphones but the smoothness of the 650 just take my mind it is very pleasant and can not find any other headphone has this kind of royal smooth sound so i compare it with the 660s and no the 660s was not smooth and there was nothing special in their sound so in this case i have to stay away from the 58x ???
A legitimate question is why you'd buy another pair of headphones that sound exactly like ones you already own? You buy the 660s because you want increased clarity/imaging/resolution and sound stage from the 650's not to be laid back and smooth. If you want chill buy some HE-560's.
What about the price ?
We are talking about 200 dollar range.
Thats why i want to go with the 58x or 6xx
Oh in that case the 6xxs are the 650s you liked so go with those to be safe. The 58Xs are great buy for portable use and for a different sound signature. I own the entire HD6 lineup and if I were you I'd buy 6XXs for a first pair if I had to choose between the 58Xs and the 6XXs. I use my jubilees more for my fiio q1 mk2 mobile use and my HD600s, 650s, 660s at home on my amps.
Thanks for your opinion
For me portability and efficiency is not an issue cuz i don't want to use it outside and i have schiit stack to run these headphones
Most important thing is the sound so regarding the sound the 6xx is better than 58x ?
I'd say so overall yes, though to some the 58X might have a better low end. For me the 6XX is superior if we are basing it solely on sound and the quality of that sound and ignoring the benefits of the 58X such is portability and the ease of driving them. The 6XX has superior detail and overall sounds like a higher end headphone because of that fact.
Yea and i already have the 4xx which has a very good lows but not that good highs .
Thanks for the advice