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Ingersoll Apsley Automatic Watch
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Ingersoll Apsley Automatic Watch
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From Ingersoll, the Apsley is a pilot’s watch that’s big on style. Measuring 45 millimeters with a sizable crown and large Arabic numerals, the Apsley pays homage to traditional aviation watches Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downRayF
22220
Apr 17, 2020
@Bigjoel360
I'm posting this response to your comment as a separate entry because MD's habit of collapsing subsequent back and forth discussions into oblivion (such that many are never seen) annoys me.
Initially you suggested the movement I criticized couldn't have been so bad because the German watchmaker, LACO uses that movement in some of their $500 plus watches. @dchapple pointed out you were mistaken on that point, and you claimed he was wrong and restated your claim--yet posted no links to substantiate them!
So, here are the facts:
First: regarding your comment that LACO uses the same Miyota 8217 movement (this Ingersoll uses)--FALSE
(as @dchapple pointed out, but you evidently still believe).
Second: LACO does use the Miyota 8218 movement (not the 8217) in a few of their (shall we say) entry-level watches, and refers to that movement (the 8217) as their "basic" automatic.
While their may be significant differences between the 8218 and 8217 movements, they share at least one common feature: NEITHER ONE HACKS, which was the sole basis of my criticism (and evidently your "people are talking badly about this watch" comment). By the way, if that's your barometer for "talking bad" about watches, stick around for the next Aquacy drop--you ain't seen nothin'!
Third: while everyone enjoys a spirited watch discussion with claims and counter claims (aka: an MD fistfight), one must be prepared to back up those claims when challenged, lest they risk becoming known as a some guy on the internet who doesn't know his screw-down crown from his Helium release valve. Accordingly here are a few links you can refer to should you wish to verify my comments: From their website, a list of the movements LACO uses: https://www.laco.de/en/faq?query=Miyota%208218
Third: while everyone enjoys a spirited watch discussion with claims and counter claims (aka: an MD fistfight), one must be prepared to back up those claims when challenged, lest they risk becoming known as a some guy on the internet who doesn't know his screw-down crown from his Helium release valve. Accordingly here are a few links you can refer to should you wish to verify my comments: From their website, a list of the movements LACO uses: https://www.laco.de/en/faq?query=Miyota%208218
(Edited)
Bigjoel360
6
Apr 22, 2020
RayFWith all the respect sir..... You seem to have a lot of knowledge on this subject and I respect that, now all I was trying to say is that Laco and this watch uses the same movement I meant the brand (Miyota) I didn't mean this same exact movement but I know it was my fault for not being clear anyway thanks for taking the time and corrected me thanks. By the way I enjoy reading most of your comments but some time I think you are a little rude.
RayF
22220
Apr 22, 2020
Bigjoel360Yes I am, you are forgiven and thank you--not necessarily in that order ;- )
Bigjoel360
6
Apr 17, 2020
Laco a well known brand uses this movement and charges over 500 USD, and people are talking badly about this watch just because of the same movement. I guess they rather pay that 500 USD just for the brand and forget about the movement?
RayF
22220
Apr 20, 2020
Bigjoel360I can only help you out with watches Dave--I'm afraid you're on your own for everything else.
RayF
22220
Apr 16, 2020
INGERSOLL?!!!!
"Slowly I turned, step by step!!!"
Look, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, or downplay any of the happy stories reported below by the guys who've previously purchased this Ingersoll (or any of the other Ingersolls that so frequently grace the pages of MD's, now rather watch-challenged Watch Community), however, as a guy who bought one of the very first Ingersolls offered here, I know from whence I speak.
To those who find themselves tempted by this drop, proceed with caution and keep your eyes wide open, but remember: no matter what happens, do not look at the box!
Now, as to the watch; it's not terrible and does most of the things all watches do, but it is lacking. For reasons known only to the company that owns the Ingersoll name (and perhaps to the company that owns them--a Chinese company with offices in England, as I recall), most of the watches they make (more about that later) use the same movement, the Miyota 8217, which as @CBTime reminds us below, is a NON-HACKING movement.
Why is this important? Because if one cannot hack the the second hand of a watch (to synchronize it to another source for comparison), measuring its accuracy becomes difficult (if not impossible), for the lay watch person. Non-hackers are also a bloody damned nuisance (as anyone who owns both hacking and non-hacking watches will tell you), because they can't easily be set accurately. Over time, one grows to view them as the red-headed step children within their collection (merely a figure of speech by the way; no offense to those of you who actually are, red-headed step children).
Even if hacking means nothing to you, one wonders why Ingersoll (and Miyota, who are owned by Citizen, if memory serves) opted to leave that desirable feature out. Could it be a cost saving measure? Well, lets think about that--Seiko makes the very well-respected, NH35A movement (a non-branded version of their in-house 4R35 movement, which absolutely does hack and wind) and our good friends at Invicta put that movement into their well-regarded 8926OB Pro Diver watch, and you can buy that little gem for less than eighty-five bucks, all day long, everywhere! So how is that Invicta can stuff a respectable, fully functioning movement into their watch, but Ingersoll can't?
I'd argue they could, if they wanted to.
I'd also guess Ingersoll gets those Miyota movements so cheaply (in bulk) that as a percentage of the total cost, the movement could well cost less than the case and strap together. I'd even argue further that the Ingersoll's costs per watch are so extraordinarily low, that they can even toss in cost increasing but totally superfluous packing items (the Box, the Phonebook, and the Steel Card) and till make out like bandits. This is likely true because the majority of Ingersolls are sold closer to their crazy MSRPs (as I believe many fashion watches are: Calvin Klein, DKNY, etc ) to consumers who know absolutely nothing about watches, often in high-rent department store venues (like Macy's), and probably often as gifts. Now, if that's your market, it makes no sense what so ever to invest another dime to improve or upgrade the movement when A) the consumer can't see it, and B) has no knowledge or interest in movements to begin with!
Which brings us back to the Box.
I'm really going to step out on the ledge here, but I'd also wager Ingersoll pays more for those, real wood, finger-jointed, stained and varnished boxes than they do for the Miyota movements they eventually put in them. Which is to say (as bluntly as I can) Ingersoll is not in the Steak business, Ingersoll is in the Sizzle business, and in the eye of the ill-informed, nothing sizzles quite like packaging in today's world. Which logically leads us to the following point: if you wanted to spend money on impressive packaging to dazzle the rubes strolling down the watch Midway, you absolutely, positively must buy the cheapest damn movements you can get your hands on, and that dear friends is why Ingersolls don't hack and Charley don't surf--it ain't necessary!!!
I say all that being fully cognizant of the fact that both Rolex and Omega often package their watches in boxes big enough to inter your cat in--but as we all know, those brands have sufficient cushion in their pricing to allow for quality movements and nice boxes. Ingersoll doesn't.
So, if you're still with me to this point, does that mean an Ingersoll with a non-hacking (they do wind, btw) Miyota 8217 is a bad deal, or even a bad watch? No, it doesn't--at $99 bucks, both Ingersoll and MD still make money on the deal and you ended up with a watch that works--and that you may actually like, despite what fussy watch guys say to the contrary.
However, I must warn you again--don't be influenced by the Box! No mater what @oppyland suggests, no man alive has ever found a good use for that damn box once the watch has been removed !!!
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BigTipper
46
Apr 16, 2020
Actually a nice looking watch from Ingersoll. This would be a great watch around 38mm but 45mm everybody looks like a tool wearing such a large watch. Like the guy 2 posts down with a 5 inch wrist thinking he's the coolest guy in town not realizing everybody will think your a poser. Kind of sad to see a decent design being ruined like this. The trend of oversized watches is over, its time watch companies meet current standards. Can anybody please confirm if this watch has an NH35 movement? I've noticed Massdrop tends to leave the movment type out when the watch contains a run of the mill movement. I might actually buy this to remove strap and use it as a desk clock
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Kamsa12
0
May 7, 2020
Your connection was mainly that people shouldn't decide what size watch fits best a person and judge if he chooses otherwise, a point you yourself refuted when you tried to make a point about the guy you were replying to wearing feminine small watches. Small watches on big wrists look out of place and big watches on small wrists look ridiculous. Whether a person cares about that or not is entirely up to them, regardless of that, it remains a fact.
oppyland
68
Feb 3, 2020
I ordered both (plan to give one to my son for his birthday), and they showed up last week while I was on vacation. Like other posters, I was impressed by the presentation - the wood box really is a nice touch, and could easily be repurposed, and the watch itself seems much nicer than the cost. Keeping the brown one, since I don't really have another watch in this color (the brown definitely looks better in person). Seems like a no-brainer for a hundred bucks.
CliffS
21
Jan 20, 2020
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BigTipper
46
Apr 16, 2020
CliffSthanks for indicating the cheap miyota movement contained inside! Does the case size not bother you? A 45mm case (not including crown) is designed for a 10 inch wrist.
rumata13
563
Jan 19, 2020
My black watch just arrived.
I am impressed! There is a lot to love about this watch - gunmetal case, raised markers, numbers, Miyota movement, see-through back, pilot hands, strap, wooden box, metal card, manual, etc. Watch feel solid and size is perfect. I have no idea how they manage to do all of this for $100.
Thank you Ingersoll!!!
Nastynick74
0
Jan 8, 2020
Has anyone from the UK bought this watch? Will we be stung by customs charges?
TimelyGeek
0
Feb 2, 2020
Nastynick74Yes I just recieved mine in uk and I got a royal mail customs card, vat (£15) and a £8 handling fee.
Another thing is that the strap is not ONLY nylon, it actually nylon and leather on back with leather parts on front - not impressed as description is inaccurate.
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