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Massdrop x MEE audio Planamic In-Ear Monitors

Massdrop x MEE audio Planamic In-Ear Monitors

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The Planamic in-ear monitors use an entirely new type of driver, designed in-house by MEE audio with feedback from the Massdrop team and community. Combining the benefits of planar-magnetic and dynamic drivers, this design yields a sound unlike any other in our IEM lineup Read More

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rdodev
632
Aug 16, 2018
The fact that folks have already "purchased" an entirely unproven tech, with no FR range graphs, third party reviews, says a lot about the "audiophile" community in Massdrop.
GunsOfBrixton
911
Sep 1, 2018
Since you seem a rather literal chap or chapette, I'm happy to share what drew my attention. There was a legitimate debate going on, with one arguing that it's foolish to buy unproven tech and the rest of the group arguing the merits of taking a chance on a new technology because they trust MD and MEE. Appropriate, on-topic, and nothing more offensive than "beta-tester" and "shenanigans" being thrown around (coincidentally, right up there with "balderdash" on underused but civil terms of disagreement).
But you drop in with a pedantic discussion of the difference between beta-testers and early adopters (at best, insulting the intelligence of the group - everybody seems to have gotten the metaphor) and go on with the whole "empty hole in them that they fill with negative emotions..." nonsense, as if you have a clue about anyone on the other side of the screen. You unironically preach positivity while you insult somebody. This is the only online community I participate in, because people here are generally knowledgeable, helpful, and real. Your kind of stuff (along with political blather) is pretty rare. I'd like to keep it that way.
So if you think that's poison, I'm cool with that. Pesticide, poison - same thing, different perspective.
Harsha1306
27
Sep 4, 2018
rdodevI'm still waiting for the "early adopters" to test this out before I start putting money down for some entirely unproven drivers
T.
33
Aug 15, 2018
Wow, a whole 8 prototypes, no expense spared! Shame all that R&D didn't extend to considering MMCX connectors, like the MEE PX earphones, and that the buffoons at Masscrap can't sort out duty pre-paid delivery, but they seem to have enormous difficulty simply setting the correct price, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised!
T.
33
Oct 5, 2018
I don’t see how your puerile insults have refuted any of the criticisms I made of the product or Massdrop, but if it makes you happy, in between the laughing hyena impressions, to congratulate yourself on winning the argument you seem intent on turning this discussion in to, then fine. At the risk of disparaging your hobby, I’m not going to waste any more time arguing with strangers on the internet!
Motorrad
2898
Oct 5, 2018
T.ah! There it is! You finally got that out, and it only took what, a month? Feel better? Man! That must feel better. Sometimes a good cry and admitting you're wrong is all it takes. Did you give yourself the Thumb Up for using the word 'puerile' in a sentence? I would thumb it down for poor grammar, but all the kids deserve a trophy now. I accept your surrender.
CEE_TEE
3480
Aug 14, 2018
We’re excited about this drop because of the new driver design. A highly-modified dynamic driver that exhibits a different timbre. Liquid & dynamic, with a weighty sound. We tested at least 8 prototypes over a year to find the right balance of bass, mids, treble, speed, and impact.
MEE audio’s R&D wing was very excited to continue pushing innovation forward after their successful flagship Pinnacle P1 IEM. As mentioned on the drop page, MEE was inspired by Planar Magnetic designs but wanted: small size, closed back, light weight. Their design is innovative, using a single, large, ring magnetic field to drive a very wide/flat/circular voice coil. (Most planar drivers use many bar magnets and magnetic fields.) Here’s a simplified cross-sectional diagram:
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Here’s a photo of a prototype driver diapraghm (with voice coil attached):
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We’ll have some graphs from Jude soon and a few samples out for review. Some Community feedback during development is that the sound emanating from the new design is more reminiscent of Audeze planar magnetic headphones...coherent, warm, impactful, liquid, and rich.
DROP DETAILS -The drop starts tomorrow, August 15. -Choose dark blue or black, they both have a glossy finish and the faceplates are curved. -Shipping is free within the U.S. and reduced for international buyers. -We will be capturing payments at the end of August to get the production started!
RM44
118
Nov 7, 2018
It's Nov 7th. Where is the shipping email with tracking info? It's terrible not to get any updates.
CEE_TEE
3480
Nov 7, 2018
RM44Hi RM44, The update is almost ready, also sending out the Q&A...thank you for your patience!
BiffsBiz
205
Aug 14, 2018
All these adjectives for the sound are marketing nonsense. If the sound isn't accurate, the sound is worthless. Accuracy is all that matters in music or vocal reproduction. Give me an accurate reproduction of the original sound or poo on your product.
MadDad
120
Aug 15, 2018
Wow. All this time I thought transducers inherently had different frequency responses based on design, materials, and enclosures. It was just distortion all the time.
I'm glad I have someone that can tell me which headphones sounds best to me. Can you tell me what food tastes best to me too? Oh, probably the one that sticks most closely to the recipe. Or which paintings are the most beautiful? Ah, the ones that look most like real life, I'm guessing.
I've got a plan to get my audiophile badge back. I'm going to make every recording artist get an audiogram. I'm going to compare it to my personal audiogram, because my hearing is different than theirs, and create a compensation curve for each artist. Then, I'm going find out what equipment the studio used to playback the recording during the mixing and mastering phases. I'm going to buy a warehouse to store all that equipment in, because I'll have to recreate every single recording studio and the different iterations of their equipment throughout their history. After that's done, I'm going to create a compensation curve between my headphones and studio monitors they used to listening to the original recording. Voila! I'll finally be able to hear the music as it was intended. Completely faithful to the original recording and the artist's intent. I'll probably get super fit too as I run between setup to setup to get decent sound out of my playlist.
Rosiebar
126
Aug 15, 2018
MadDadYawn....
rdodev
632
Aug 14, 2018
Sorry but without graphs and third-party reviews it would joining a drop based on marketing collateral. Honestly feels a bit of an insult to your audience to put these out here without minimal due diligence that's expected with any audio enthusiast gear.
Showtime
37
Aug 14, 2018
rdodevYeah, some Head-Fi tactics, but more direct.
prud475
90
Aug 15, 2018
rdodevthey said there would be graphs and review units ... so that's something.. i guess
CEE_TEE
3480
Aug 16, 2018
Hi everyone, We noticed a mistake on the page for the first people who purchased. The estimated ship date was 10/5 and should be 11/7. (A month later.) Because of this error and update to the page, we are allowing cancellations. This was my mistake and I am sorry. I do have some good news in this update, however… MEE audio & Comply brand tips are great partners and wanted to add some new perks for first purchasers! Now adding to Q&A with Mike Jones + $10 off your next purchase: -Extra set of Comply brand foam tips: -Cleaning tool (for nozzles/bores). -Cleaning cloth (the earpieces are quite glossy). So total perks now include: 1. Q&A Session with Mike Jones 2. $10 off your next purchase 3. Extra set of Comply brand foam tips: Comply’s Comfort Series Foam Tips are designed with a unique spherical shape to maximize comfort 4. Cleaning tool (for nozzles/bores) 5. Cleaning cloth (the earpieces are quite glossy) I apologize again for the change in estimated ship date and want to thank you for joining the first production of the Massdrop x MEE audio Planamic In-Ear Monitors. You are helping to launch this new driver technology!
CEE_TEE
3480
Nov 21, 2018
Hi koolpep- we see that 99% of the units have been shipped. Would you please go to your Profile > Transactions > Planamic Order > Contact Customer Service (at the bottom of the order)? They should look into this and ensure that it has gone out or goes out...thank you!
koolpep
929
Nov 22, 2018
CEE_TEEMany thanks for your response. Done that. Cheers!
PopZeus
386
Feb 13, 2019
I do think it's important to stress that this IEM can achieve something incredibly natural, detailed, and musical, (with a relaxed neutrality and deep bass when called upon) that's pretty darn versatile with a variety of genre. Far beyond what I've heard in this price range. But it needs an EQ to do it. Thankfully it takes to EQing very well, which I think is part due to the relatively smooth FR with no jagged peaks or notches, particularly in the treble region. The mid-treble might be too recessed by default, but the overall treble levels aren't spiky at all. That 3.5 review score average is mostly based on the fact that hardly anyone in this hobby uses an EQ.
Jeremiah_R
80
Nov 16, 2019
Look at the charts, both with and w/o Cipher, and compare them. I have no idea what you're talking about. 🤨
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loplop
12
Nov 16, 2019
Jeremiah_RSorry if I wasn't clear. I was trying to say that I like the iSine 20's with their Cipher cable, or with EQ applied (I use parametric). I don't like them straight out of a DAP jack, I find they need EQ. Cipher corrects the weird hole in the midrange, for instance. I actually use the Cipher's EQ on top of Cipher, though, to salt to taste. I should also clarify: depending upon music content, I sometimes DO like Planamic straight from a DAP jack. It really depends upon the frequency bands of the instruments in the music.
rdodev
632
Sep 1, 2018
See, this is why I wait for charts/graphs before committing -- and people jumped on my throat and expressed their unabashed support for MEE when I suggested to do so. Numerically it isn't looking great. Overly-boosted bass + early treble roll off will make this pair sound ... rather awkward. That said, at this point is a matter whether you like that sound signature or not as opposed to blindly throwing your money at the manufacturer "because their other IEMs are great and have complete confidence in them."
Nonzilla
94
Oct 3, 2018
rdodevSee, this is why you shouldn't have made this post. Jaydunndiddit said everything I wanted to say, and makes your trolling stand out as just that... trolling. None of us know what it will sound like exactly, but Numerically it's looking pretty decent. If a Planar Magnetic headphone, a DD headphone, and a BA IEM all had the exact same frequency response expressed through a diagram... they'd all sound different. Tuning and materials play a large part in how something sounds, I've heard phones and iems that looked like I would HATE because of the charts... and I absolutely LOVED them. No need to be a troll, just relax.
jaydunndiddit
3262
Aug 15, 2018
If the math is correct, these may require a good bit of power. I think most cellphones are gonna have a tough time pushing these to sound their best (kinda like the PX...). Since the specs state the sensitivity is 91 +/- 3 dB at 16 ohms: For 88 dB/1 mW
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For 91 dB/1 mW
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I kept the output impedance at 1 ohm since that would be the most ideal. Mind that if your source has a higher output impedance and/or you listen as a slightly louder volume than 80 dB, you're going to need more power than what's listed here. Almost 2Vrms for an IEM is pretty demanding but I am curious how well these will sounds/scale out of a desktop amp.
jaydunndiddit
3262
Aug 17, 2018
I've read quite a few of his articles as I stated above. The point is he cannot accurately state how much this "perception" sways an individuals thoughts and experiences. Honestly, it's all rather a moot point and still based off anecdotal evidence. It's not as if any of the studies were scientific tests that had true, measurable objectives.
How an amp works still doesn't address your bold statement that "an amp is an amp ." If that statement was even reasonably true, all low impedance IEMs that require only a couple of mW to get ear-shatteringly loud would sound the same from ANYTHING they get plugged into (a TV, phone, laptop, receiver, etc). Since these devices all can produce 1mW to push almost every IEM to 100+dB they should all theoretically sound and perform the same per your logic. Yet, we all know this isn't the case. You trying to oversimplify something as convoluted and subjective as someone's hearing and perception is misleading, at best.
The_Jniac
322
Aug 18, 2018
jaydunndidditI forgot to mention output impedance. Oops, I will fix that. I still stand by the claim that amps sound the same, provided they do not produce audible levels of distortion, have a flat frequency response within the audible range, and can produce an adequate damping factor. I am not really oversimplifying. Perceptions are very prone to be inaccurate, especially when there is pressure to perceive something a certain way. Take burn-in for example: have you ever heard of someone complaining about headphone burn in? I have not once seen someone say that burning in their headphones made them worse. I have, however, seen people write about how burn-in transformed their headphones into devices that produce pure bliss. Burn in is just one example; there was a guy on reddit who claimed he could hear a difference between plastic and glass toslink cables, or the entire high resolution audio scam, or a good chunk of what gets Editor's Choice on Stereophile (see wathifi.com for more examples.). Here [https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(14)00192-5] is an article on how the placebo effect can alter perceptions of pain. If pain can be altered, why would perceptions of sound be immune to this? What else could explain people hearing what research says is not audible, but being unable to pass a blind test?
Edit: It was brought to my attention that a link with no substance isn't the most helpful (my words, not theirs). I agree, lol. Here's an except from the review going over sound quality. If you're interested in build, accessories, and everything else, check out the full review. Long story short, the bass is amazing, mids smooth and clear, and treble rolls off really early. Good for the treble sensitive, but probably way too rolled off for the rest of us. Build is good, Mee's cables are excellent, and comfort is too. Quite like the unique stock tips. Not the same generic single flange things you get with most brands. Seem unique to this earphone, at least in my experience, and imo necessary to properly experience the unique bass. "Sound:
Tips: Bi-flange and foam tips really suck the life out of the Planamic’s already restrained upper regions so beyond a few songs they weren’t used again. You might have a different experience. I found the Planamic best with tips of two types; those that bring the driver as close as possible to your ear drum, or fairly shallow, wide bore tips. The first type refers to the stock single-flange tips. If you want to get the bass I rave about later in this review, those tips are key. Sony has a similar tip they include with the AS800AP, but the flange was so long it interfered with my ability to get a consistent seal. If you’re willing to give up some bass and balance out the sound without resorting to EQ, wide bores tips will be key. I tried with those from JVC, TFZ, and Ultimate Ears. JVC and TFZ tips reduced bass quantity and increase upper treble. You lose some of the visceral feedback of the low end to gain energy in the upper regions. Not worth the trade off for me as the visceral bass is why this thing kicks @$$. The UE tips pulled the driver too far from the ear missing out on the point of that style of tip so stay away from these. The below impressions were made with the stock, medium single flange tips. My qualms with the mid and upper-treble are lessened with the aforementioned wide bore tips. After pulling the Planamic out of the plastic bag it was shipped in and checking out the nice accessory kit, I plugged it into Radsone’s ES100 which was pulling USB DAC duty on my Asus FX53V laptop. What track did I want to listen to first? Hmm. I knew just the one; “Look At That Butt (feat. Jarina De Marco)” by Dillon Francis. I've really been feeling the strong Latin influences of his current work, and the music video for this track is especially ridiculous. So yeah, “Look At That butt” would be perfect. And it was. At 15 seconds when the first hit of bass kicked in, I jumped because I was not expecting the physical response the Planamic provided. That moment immediately solidified this earphone as something special. The Planamic’s low end provides what to me is the most visceral low end experience I’ve felt from an in-ear. The way notes linger and rumble and the sensation they provide is akin to a full-sized stereo, limited to your ears and not the entire body of course. Haywyre’s “Sculpted” provides an outstanding example of this the moment the low end drops at 23 seconds. I found texturing to be quite good with notes showing depth and feeling. Impact is solid too giving the Planamic’s low end lots of authority beyond it simply being the most emphasized aspect of it’s sound. Speed of the Planamic’s driver is far from sluggish or clumsy, easily keeping up with balanced armatures in presenting the insanity of Havok’s sophomore thrash metal release, “Time Is Up.” Just to really drive it home, where the Planamic truly specializes is in the feeling of bass, something the vast majority of earphones fall flat on. I have a couple planars in the ADVANCED Alpha and HiFiMan Susvara. When wearing the Susvara, if you lift it off your ears just enough to break seal with your head, sub-bass goes through the roof and you feel waves of bass slapping the sides of your head. While not quite as exaggerated through the Planamic, that the gist of how I experience the bass on this thing. It’s unique and awesome in the proper sense of the word. The mid-range is pretty nice too. That rise from 1K to 4K does a stellar job of pulling vocals and instruments through the bass and with giving the frequency entire range solid clarity. The Planamic didn’t rip my face off with wicked detailing, but it wasn’t muddied or slurred either. There are times where the Planamic’s frequency balance doesn’t help such as on Scroobius Pip’s “The Struggle”. Everything on this track comes across more mellow than it should. Pip’s vocals should pop more. The background vocals are too smooth. The guitar work sounds great and the drumming carries the beat well, but in general it all sounds a little off. On the other, Skrillex’s “Devil’s Den” has effects and synthesized vocals that sit right where the Planamic plays best and as such the pairing of the two is outstanding. If you like Dubstep. In Massdrop’s marketing material, they say that the hybrid planar/dynamic driver gives music a unique timbre. I don’t really know what that’s supposed to mean, but you would think aiming for accurate timbre would be desired. Soooo, to see just how unique the timbre was I pulled out the Master of Timbre itself, JVC’s HA-FXT90. How was the Planamic? Well, a little warmer and thicker but instruments sounded more or less as they should. I certainly found the Planamic’s timbre more accurate than a lot of hybrids which are often lighter and brighter than is ideal. Treble is where I find the Planamic struggling most. Take for example Evil Nine’s “Golden Throne”. In the opening moments there is a high pitched synth line that through the Planamic is barely audible. Run the same track though most other earphones and while still subtle, there’s a good chance you’ll notice it significantly more. The way this earphone is tuned means that some aspects of the track are downplayed significantly more than they should be. In some cases this leads to a neat effect and gives the track a ton of depth to the sound stage where on other earphones it’s much more flat. Those striving for raw accuracy may be infuriated. Flaws in emphasis aside, the quality of the treble itself is actually quite good. It’s well controlled with zero distortion I could detect and is not even remotely fatiguing. You can absolutely crank the volume with this thing and pending the low end doesn’t tire you out, can listen for hours on end. Heck, it even cures The Crystal Method’s “Grace ft. LeAnn Rimes” of it’s painfully shrill and sibilant vocals and sound effects. I found the sound stage on the Planamic to be quite open and spacious, an achievement made more impressive by the lack of treble energy which often exaggerates this area. It comes across deeper than it is wide, but with some quality separation and layering. Again, I refer you to Havok’s works to verify since they can end up a congested mess in the wrong hands. Imaging is smooth and accurate without any dead zones, though the lack of width does make picking out precise instrument locations somewhat of a challenge on especially busy tracks. The Planamic’s bass-forward sound and recessed mid- and upper-treble means this isn’t an earphone that can do everything. When you get a track that plays to it’s strengths it will blow your mind, but other times it lacks energy and falls flat. That inconsistency can be frustrating when it crops up (thankfully not very often in my experience). When it all comes together you’ll have a stupid grin pasted across your face. Plus, that bass presentation is unique and engaging enough by itself to warrant hunting down songs that play it up." My complete thoughts on this earphone; https://thecontraptionist.blog/2018/10/11/massdrop-x-mee-audio-planamic-bring-it/

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I just purchased a Norne Audio Silvergarde cable for mine. After burn in, these should open better, with improved treble response. I. M. H. O.
TheContraptionistSent these out on tour to a few guys in the US. Surprised at how much I'm missing them already. Closest thing signature wise is the ADV GT3 Superbass, but it lacks the uniquely visceral presentation of the Planamic. :,(
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