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ToolFob 21-Function Titanium Multitool
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ToolFob 21-Function Titanium Multitool
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About the size of a silver dollar, the ToolFob has nearly two dozen tools to help you conquer tough jobs, small fixes, and everything in between. Pry open bottles, saw through stubborn materials, tighten loose screws, grab ahold of tiny knobs, start fires, file down nails, and much more: Nearly everything you could ask for in a multitool can be found inside the ToolFob’s compact titanium body Read More
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Apr 18, 2020
Hi Bruce.
Just want to reply to your comments to my suggestions. Thank you for even aknowleging my comments. I am not on a designer level, so am very flattered.
Regarding the whistle. I assume present whistle is that way: 123db loud.
Just want to let you know that the two reviews I had watched on YouTube did not give the whistle any justice. One did not get any sound, and second one was faint. To me it is a big selling point. Also, the description on drop, I believe only says whistle. It should spec 123db right there in big bold letters. I would also include a letter to reviewers, the ones you know about, on how to use the whistle. Many times, EDC stuff is obvious in use, so the guys probably do not read directions.
I don't care too much about a flashlight. Usually I don't need one and eventually the batteries corrode, and corrode material inside. Ahh. If one is available, fine, there may be a situation when I need one. In my whole life I needed a flashlight one time, well, in an unpredictable way, where EDC flashlight would be great to have. But I am sure there are some people who need one, period.
As far as rulers, they are nice. Especially if you can combine them with other tools. But they are not important for me enough to use a separate slot in my EDC tool for them.
Regarding scissors, I measured my SA classic SD and the blades are only 5/8". I use them exclusively to cut my nails. Did not have any other purpose for them. I tried cutting my nail, and saw that I only utilize about 3/8" of the blade, because of sweet power spot. Then I have to open them up wide and continue. So, from this observation, I think 1/2" scissors would be plenty useful.
I agree about the Raptor blade. I love it too, almost as much as the serated blade. But for me, a key chain has to be minimalist due to weight and size. So I would only want one blade. I did not even think about removable E-xacto blade untill I read your own thinking on that. I have lost one of my Swiss Army knives to TSA one time. Forgot to leave it at home. With an option of removable E-xacto, I would just give TSA agent the blade, and that's that, and would still have the rest of the tools, and could purchase another blade on arrival. So I like that idea a whole lot. Plus, removable E-xacto blade never dulls, because it gets replaced with fresh one easily. So that's an unbeatable proposition.
Just one more idea, I am thinking how you propose things to public ( in my case "me" ), and I have my own thinking on what is important to me. Now, most people who care about EDC are DIRers, I think. What if I could take your tool apart, and add or substract options to/from it. And if an option showed up in the future, that I want, but was not available before, I don't need to buy a whole new tool. This is not far off from replaceable blades, so you probably have that, or something close to it, available already.
Thank you for building beautiful EDC stuff.
I will keep my eye out for different options and designes coming from you in the future.
SeeAndSay
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Apr 17, 2020
Hi Bruce.
I saw your ToolFob and was intreagued, and inspired to write to you with more ideas. If my ideas are silly, little harm done.
I watched a few reviews also. So all my comments are based on reviews only.
Just to let you know, I love anything and everything EDC. If money and storage is no object, I would buy it right away, just to have it. I love your creation.
I want to lay down a few thoughts as to what would cause me to actually buy it.
Let's talk about storage first. I don't have it. What I mean is I don't have a nice space in my house with nice display cases. So it has to go on my keychain.
Now, let's add a price and weight components.
Presently I have Swiss army classic SD, $20, with scissors, file and one blade at ~0.7oz. But I also added a small 100db brass whistle $5, which by it self weighs more then your whole tool. So weight wise, your tool is very competitive. So two aspect remain, usefulness and the price. One might think that a 21 piece tool has to be more useful. Well, I use the scissors on my Swiss army more then I do the blade.
So this next section is about the usefulness.
Scissors:
In your reply to "jitsufi", you said they would not work correctly due to geometry. I don't understand. You have plyers, which seem to work fine. My Swiss Army (SA) has little spring between the handles. I think you can make scissors work, may be without the spring, but hopefully with one. I know when a designer says something, he has looked at it from a thousand angles, and knows what he is talking about. Still, 2 facts: SA can do it. You have done plyers. You can do it. It is a big deal.
Plyers:
They are beautiful as they are. I love them. But.... How can they be improved? Here is my thinking. The biggest usability comes from about 1mm of the byting lip for grabbing something. The utility of the hole is marginal because of small size of the tool. You can not torque too many things with it. My suggestion is this: reduce the byting lip to 1-2mm. Use the rest of the opening space to have one or two diameter wire stripper, and a small wire cutter at the base. Now this tool is going to replace my $30 wire stripping multitool at no additional weight, and small increase in price. I need to strip and cut something like phone wire every now and then. For more then that, one needs a bigger tool. And if a little spring can be added between the handles, that is just like gravy on the top of mash potatoes.
The blades:
Your tool has many blades and saws. I only want one of all of them, the serated one. Beautiful blade, I love it. But I also loved your idea of TSA friendly removable X-Acto blade. Unless your serated blades are comparable in price and are easy to replace, in which case I would prefer it, otherwise I would choose the X-Acto blade route. And I believe you can still cut the belt (car belt) with one.
Screwdriver/hex driver blades:
Not sure it is needed. It is of marginal utility due to its limited use scope. The tools main hex driver would suffice for me. I would sucrifice it for advantage in weight, simplicity and price.
Whistle:
Make a hole in it and an air stream splitter to make it 100db whistle without any fuss. And if you can still fit a small flashlight into 1/2 of it, and still maintain 100db sound, more power to you and your tool.
File/ruller:
Can file be integrated onto plyers? May be even the ruler too. Don't care about the ruler too much. But the file is a must, use it often on my nails.
I love the comb and tweezers. No suggestions here. I do have them, though not on keychain.
I also carry titanium spring loaded toothpick, $20, 0.12oz, 4.3" long when open. Suggestion: integrate one of these. It is ok to make it curved, and flattish ( not round), even better actually, with spring or without. Many people like to have a toothpick. SA has one, plastic though. Make it removable to make it TSA friendly.
So what do we have now:
Blades we lost (and weight)
Raptor blade, Flat screwdriver, Wood saw, Hacksaw, Cutting blade, Serrated blade, separate file blade, hex driver blade. Don't really care.
Blades we gained (and weight): scissors, toothpick.
Functions we lost: saws, different hex driver sizes, only one remains.
Functions we gained or retained:
wire cutter, real wire stripper, 100db easy to use whistle, toothpick, may be a flushlight.
What tools do we replace:
Swissarmy classic SD, $20, 0.7oz, not TSA freindly
Whistle 100db, $5, 1.4oz
Wire stripper $30, not key chain freindly
Toothpick, $20, 0.12oz
Things I don't carry, but would if available:
Tweezers $10 (0.5oz), comb $10(1.5oz), and a flushlight $$(!!).
So as the result I have a "man jewelry" tool that replaces about $50 worth of separate "junk" on my keychain (blade, file, scissors, toothpick, 100db whistle) and adds wire stripper/cutter, small plyers, twizzors and comb, may be a flashlight functionality, a total of over $100 worth of separate tools, to my keychain, at about the same weight as the Swissarmy classic SD, and it is beautiful, contained, and did I mention beautiful.
I am buying this gadget, $100 is not a problem. It is worth it. I suspect many would. I know I am selfish and built my perfect tool. But I believe it would work for a lot of people.
btboone
26
Apr 18, 2020
SeeAndSayThanks for the feedback!
On a potential new design, I have got a wire cutter on the pliers and a groove at the ends of the tools to assist with opening. I have cut up to 14 gage with that. The flat head screwdriver would just protrude from the main body a little bit, so would allow high torque and would let you completely rewire a switch between the screwdriver, wire cutters and pliers.
The whistle is 123 dB and 1 GRAM without the need for an extra hole and you don’t put it in your lips. I originally designed it the normal way, but it is so short that your lips tended to cover the slot sometimes. I was able to reconfigure it without the slot and restrictor piece and actually get a more piercing pitch and way louder sound due to the ability to blow a lot more air across it. It works great. No room for that and a flashlight in the same piece though; the pitch would be to high to carry well. It would be one or the other. The flashlight is really pushing the envelope, as it’s walls are only .008”, which is even too thin for threads. I have found that the hollow whistle can house another tool such as a mini hex bit, a thinner fire starter, or a glow stick inside it.
I made two rulers to go longer and can work as depth gages for tread gages and such. One has the file and the other has a wire gage, also English and Metric. On my layouts of possible scissors, you really don’t get the length needed to make them useful; maybe 1/2” long? I can really study that more, but they didn’t make sense to me. The removable toothpick might be a handy thing. I really like the Raptor blade for opening packages. The X-Acto blade route still needs some tweaking and it takes up 3 plates, so it would have to really work well to go that route.
truthandtattoos
0
Apr 15, 2020
I think this tool would be much more functional if were slightly larger. It needs a bigger brother. Maybe not as big as a full size multi tool but after watching the vid I feel it's just too tiny to be of any real function. And it bothers me that it's missing the tools considered the most useful like scissors, phillips head, a strong flat head (as pointed out the wire stripper compromises the strength of the one torquing tool in the entire design). Yes the hex driver gives u that add on but shouldn't there also be integral phillips & flat for convenience? Will keep an eye out for a larger more functional design tho bc I think he's onto something with how unique it is, just not quite there yet as far as usefulness goes.
btboone
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Apr 15, 2020
truthandtattoosI never say never. A next version has the screwdrivers integral. It does take a lot of money up front to make a batch of these. When I was first prototyping, I did a 2” version and that felt too small. Things were really tight on space and clearances for all the stuff behind the scenes. I then did a 2 1/4” version and it felt too big to me. Didn’t fit in the hand as well and was much heavier, like 1 1/2x heavier. That somewhat negated the unique aspect of using the lightweight but expensive titanium and would use a lot more of it. There’s plenty of others doing larger tools that are much heavier. I wanted this to feel extreme and felt the niche would be to do one just impossibly light as well as reasonable size tools. I settled on 2 1/8” for the length, which still feels good in the hand or in a pocket. Looking into a TSA safe version that has a removable craft blade like an X-Acto. I also am looking at an extremely small one with fewer tools for a keychain or necklace. It all takes tens of thousands of dollars to have them made though.
jitsufi
1
Apr 15, 2020
I would consider if it had scissors. I use the scissors more than any other tool in my Leatherman Style PS
Maxlvledc
3
Feb 29, 2020
Hello, I finally got around to making a review of the ToolFob, its lengthy but I wanted to be as thorough as possible.
One thing I didn't get to say in the video (because it didn't exist yet) is the whistle is utterly amazing. Its so loud I think my ears are still ringing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pORDCERy_M8
btboone
26
Apr 15, 2020
RNJohnThe trick is to plug the whistle into the hex hole with the open end up. Blow a strong stream of air over the open end, using the ToolFob as a chin rest to better center your airstream. The airstream gets divided into two paths; one that goes straight across the opening and one that goes in the body of the whistle. Eddys are created by the air going into the whistle since it has to turn around to get out. That sets up pressure waves that hit a resonance that we hear as sound waves. More air and better focused air will make for a louder sound. I included an instruction sheet with the whistles now.
JWKim
6
Feb 28, 2020
It would be nice if these multi-tools included nail clippers. A flick knife, decent nail clippers, tweezers, bottle opener, screw driver. Titanium is nice, resists salt water.
btboone
26
Feb 28, 2020
JWKimI wasn't able to get a decent nail clipper in there just due to geometry, but it has a nail file that can help in a pinch. It does have all the other things. Scissors was another one of those things that won't work well at that scale. It would take up several plates and would ideally have a long moment arm to help with the forces and keep the cut as long as possible. The three blades each have specific target uses, and the main blade can do a lot of what scissors would be used for. There are always engineering tradeoffs of space, comfort, weight and cost. It would be nice to have a magnifying glass, but it's also not that practical in the space we have. I am able to leverage the center slot for a lot of things such the whistle, hex bit, ferro stick, mini hex bit in the whistle, mini pen, glow stick, etc. I'm hoping to make a flashlight to fit in there. It would be the world's smallest, so it's another engineering challenge!
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