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Hidizs AP60 Pro Digital Audio Player
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A portable digital music player with impressive specs, the Hidizs AP60 Pro has gotten a lot of attention from the audiophile community. This new iteration improves upon the AP60 with an upgraded Sabre ESS9118C DAC chip and a maximum sampling rate of 44.1–384 kHz / 32 bit Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downsman
80
May 22, 2018
This is the response that I just received to an inquiry on Head-Fi.
"We are finishing up the DH1000 production, the KS orders will be able to shipped out within next week. and as well as the AP60 pro. Thanks" from Hidizs.
Ripper2860
47
Jun 3, 2018
smanSame here. I've contemplated just throwing in the towel and requesting a refund. If we get to June 7th (1 month) and still nothing, then I'm moving on and this WILL be my LAST TRANSACTION with Massdrop. This experience and their complete lack of communication on this matter is indicative of a company that just flat-out does not care about their customers. That's not the type of company that I will continue doing business with.
Ripper2860
47
May 8, 2018
It would be nice if Massdrop or the MFG would post-up and provide some information on the delay and a new ETA for shipping.
TheLongshot
13
Mar 13, 2018
So, it looks like the DAC is the same as the one in the AP200, so it looks like it probably is an improvement over the AP60 II.
bsoplinger
79
Mar 15, 2018
You say a friend has ripped. If he's ripping at a rate higher the source he's using all he is doing is using up storage space. A CD for example only needs 44.1k and ripping to 128k for example will produce files that sound the same but take up 3x more space. I didn't think there was much available exceeding 128k even out there.
zlaggy
16
Mar 16, 2018
bsoplingerThanks and your point is acknowledged. To be clear, I should have said he not only ripped a lot to 384khz (but now to flac) from vinyl & cd, but pays for & downloads from HD online services that provide 384khz files. There are HD services offering up to 384khz files. Also, ripping to 384khz was originally a "strategy", even if an uninformed one, to keep a consistent format for devices/players that did not auto-detect and adjust to differing formats. Now that we both rip to flac no matter what we're ripping and newer devices can adjust, it is less of a problem. We are still stuck with wanting a device that can handle 384khz files or re-ripping thousands of songs to 192khz. This is the real reason I asked but since I'm probably getting one anyway, maybe i"ll stick to buying one. If he likes it, it's his and I can wait for another drop. Cheers 8o)
JakeRoberts
240
Jul 18, 2018
I got mine yesterday, and having not paid attention to the dimensions, I was struck at how freaking tiny it is! I paired it up with the Ostry KC09 IEMs that also arrived yesterday and the sound quality is great for such a small, overall package.
Unfortunately, the firmware still needs a lot of work and the physical control buttons have an issue where they register multiple presses from just one actuation. I'm running the firmware that came stock with the unit, version 1.01 Beta, and right now the back, enter, up and down buttons register multiple times when pressed only once. That makes it very, very hard to play a song or make a selection from menus.
By default, the AP60 Pro came with hi-gain mode enabled. On initial startup the unit hung up asking for an SDXC card to be inserted, which required a reboot to get it to boot normally. Upon first boot I was presented with the main menu; going into System Settings by pressing Enter once registered as two clicks, which launched me straight into menu language selection. Thankfully, English is the default language when you enter, but I can easily see people changing the language by accident due to the extreme sensitivity of the buttons.
Having set up the player, I inserted a 128GB Samsung Evo SDXC card which contains 875 songs. The player ingested around 10 to 15 songs a second, which wasn't bad at all. I'm still in the process of reorganizing my library for SDXC cards, so this is only a fraction of the 5,000+ songs I have. Still, pretty fast media ingestion.
Sound from the ESS Sabre 9018 is very nice, and the AP60 Pro didn't have problems driving the KC09 IEMs. I tried them briefly with the Fiio FH1 hybrid and the Campfire Polaris hybrid, and both sounded great. Sound is no problem, but the control buttons are.
No matter how careful I am with pressing the buttons once, they activate multiple times at least 90 percent of the time. This makes making selections really freaking hard... selecting albums launches you past the album and into the songs list due to the sensitivity issue. The same thing happens when navigating through folders.
The thing is, you hold down the Enter\Play button during music playback to access a second, radial menu that has options for low and hi-gain, music playback (repeat once, repeat all, shuffle, etc.), as well as options to add a song to a play list, favorite it, erase from the SDXC card, and so on. But again, due to the issue with the buttons, you pretty much end up selecting things you didn't want to do.
Another issue is that I haven't been able to get the AP60 Pro to recognize playlists. As configured, the SDXC card stores all music in a "My Music" folder I created using MusicBee. So the folder hierarchy is root\My Music\Artist Name\Album Name\music files. The M3U playlists are stored in root, and they properly point to where the music is stored on the SDXC card. Still, the AP60 Pro fails to see the playlists. Album, Artist and Genre navigation due work, and at least in Album navigation songs appear in the correct order, but I'm guessing that has to do more with the tags I placed using MusicBee, including song order. The Hiby R6 recognizes playlists stored this way, but the AP60 Pro doesn't. One thing the AP60 Pro does that the R6 doesn't is to properly list albums in alphabetical order.... for some reason the R6 lists albums any which way it damn pleases...
A second issue I found is that gapless playback cuts off the first second or first two seconds of every song. Also, pressing the Enter\PLay button cuts off the first one or two seconds of every song. This happens with both MP3 and FLAC files (don't have DSD files, so can't test if it also happens with those).
A third issue is the fact that playback controls get locked out once the screen shuts off. No matter how many times you hit Enter or the up and down buttons to change tracks, they do nothing unless the screen is on. The controls work when you're in the clock screen, so you don't even have to go back to the player screen to get them to work, but it's annoying. Volume controls do work while the screen is in standby, sound continues to play and it plays the next track when another ends. And I do have Power Saving Shutdown and Scheduled Power Off disabled. You can configure the volume buttons to act as track skip and rewind, but then you can't control the volume...
Finally, the AP60 Pro can take anywhere from five to 10 seconds to resume playback when coming off of standby. Hitting Enter\Play when you turn the screen on, you hear a click on the IEMs, which I interpret to mean they are getting a current again, but the music takes a long time to play... you have to press Enter\Play many times to get the AP60 to respond. So this could be either a firmware issue, an issue with the processor taking a long time to resume from standby, or yet another downside to the overly sensitive control buttons.
Portability is awesome, the screen is pretty sharp for its size and the sound reproduction is more than capable, but between the buggy firmware and the problematic control buttons, I'm considering returning the AP60 Pro for a refund. I don't think the button sensitivity issue can be fixed via firmware (seems to be the mechanism is physically broken or not working properly), and based on the experience from users of the AP60 II, its a problem that also plagued that unit.
Unfortunately, the firmware still needs a lot of work and the physical control buttons have an issue where they register multiple presses from just one actuation. I'm running the firmware that came stock with the unit, version 1.01 Beta, and right now the back, enter, up and down buttons register multiple times when pressed only once. That makes it very, very hard to play a song or make a selection from menus.
By default, the AP60 Pro came with hi-gain mode enabled. On initial startup the unit hung up asking for an SDXC card to be inserted, which required a reboot to get it to boot normally. Upon first boot I was presented with the main menu; going into System Settings by pressing Enter once registered as two clicks, which launched me straight into menu language selection. Thankfully, English is the default language when you enter, but I can easily see people changing the language by accident due to the extreme sensitivity of the buttons.
Having set up the player, I inserted a 128GB Samsung Evo SDXC card which contains 875 songs. The player ingested around 10 to 15 songs a second, which wasn't bad at all. I'm still in the process of reorganizing my library for SDXC cards, so this is only a fraction of the 5,000+ songs I have. Still, pretty fast media ingestion.
Sound from the ESS Sabre 9018 is very nice, and the AP60 Pro didn't have problems driving the KC09 IEMs. I tried them briefly with the Fiio FH1 hybrid and the Campfire Polaris hybrid, and both sounded great. Sound is no problem, but the control buttons are.
No matter how careful I am with pressing the buttons once, they activate multiple times at least 90 percent of the time. This makes making selections really freaking hard... selecting albums launches you past the album and into the songs list due to the sensitivity issue. The same thing happens when navigating through folders.
The thing is, you hold down the Enter\Play button during music playback to access a second, radial menu that has options for low and hi-gain, music playback (repeat once, repeat all, shuffle, etc.), as well as options to add a song to a play list, favorite it, erase from the SDXC card, and so on. But again, due to the issue with the buttons, you pretty much end up selecting things you didn't want to do.
Another issue is that I haven't been able to get the AP60 Pro to recognize playlists. As configured, the SDXC card stores all music in a "My Music" folder I created using MusicBee. So the folder hierarchy is root\My Music\Artist Name\Album Name\music files. The M3U playlists are stored in root, and they properly point to where the music is stored on the SDXC card. Still, the AP60 Pro fails to see the playlists. Album, Artist and Genre navigation due work, and at least in Album navigation songs appear in the correct order, but I'm guessing that has to do more with the tags I placed using MusicBee, including song order. The Hiby R6 recognizes playlists stored this way, but the AP60 Pro doesn't. One thing the AP60 Pro does that the R6 doesn't is to properly list albums in alphabetical order.... for some reason the R6 lists albums any which way it damn pleases...
A second issue I found is that gapless playback cuts off the first second or first two seconds of every song. Also, pressing the Enter\PLay button cuts off the first one or two seconds of every song. This happens with both MP3 and FLAC files (don't have DSD files, so can't test if it also happens with those).
A third issue is the fact that playback controls get locked out once the screen shuts off. No matter how many times you hit Enter or the up and down buttons to change tracks, they do nothing unless the screen is on. The controls work when you're in the clock screen, so you don't even have to go back to the player screen to get them to work, but it's annoying. Volume controls do work while the screen is in standby, sound continues to play and it plays the next track when another ends. And I do have Power Saving Shutdown and Scheduled Power Off disabled. You can configure the volume buttons to act as track skip and rewind, but then you can't control the volume...
Finally, the AP60 Pro can take anywhere from five to 10 seconds to resume playback when coming off of standby. Hitting Enter\Play when you turn the screen on, you hear a click on the IEMs, which I interpret to mean they are getting a current again, but the music takes a long time to play... you have to press Enter\Play many times to get the AP60 to respond. So this could be either a firmware issue, an issue with the processor taking a long time to resume from standby, or yet another downside to the overly sensitive control buttons.
Portability is awesome, the screen is pretty sharp for its size and the sound reproduction is more than capable, but between the buggy firmware and the problematic control buttons, I'm considering returning the AP60 Pro for a refund. I don't think the button sensitivity issue can be fixed via firmware (seems to be the mechanism is physically broken or not working properly), and based on the experience from users of the AP60 II, its a problem that also plagued that unit.
jotry
47
Aug 6, 2018
So far just asking if I upgraded to the latest firmware which I did. Just let them know that didn't work.
jotry
47
Aug 27, 2018
Did you get your replacement yet and tested it to see if that resolved the problem?
jjr2527
8
May 8, 2018
I understand delays, and that we aren't guaranteed the timing in the drop. What I don't understand is why we learn of these unexpected delays in manufacturing after the drop date has passed. We should have been informed of these delays a week or more before the drop date. Surely there is more information available from these vendors than hearing non-descriptive shipping delays the day after a drop date.
Ripper2860
47
May 12, 2018
Come on guys. Communication is critical to keeping happy customers - that's Customer Service 101 . How about someone, anyone, (Massdrop or Hidizs) do the right thing and respond with an update and ETA? If you want to piss people off then just keep doing what you are doing and keep them in the dark. I'm in the customer service business and I can assure you that this is nothing that even comes close to approaching good customer service!
(2x thumbs down for not giving a hoot.)
(2x thumbs down for not giving a hoot.)
sman
80
May 8, 2018
@Hidizs Please let us know a little more about the delays. It’s just good business to do so.
Miak
0
Mar 13, 2018
Ive always wondered if it would be worth getting a DAP but have no clue. I normally use my phone, a pixel 2 xl to listen to music. Is there any advantage to using a DAP over a phone?
Hidizs
31
Mar 14, 2018
Yes, you can. AP60 Pro supports two-way bluetooth fuction( transmitting and receiving ). You can send your songs on tidal and Spotify to AP60 Pro via bluetooth an listen them with AP60 Pro via wire earphone or bluetooth phone. The sound quality will be better.
Ripper2860
47
Jun 26, 2018
Well, what do you know. I received an update from FedEx stating my AP60 Pro has arrived at the PA Smartpost facility and is making its way to me in Texas. Movement, at last!! Woohoo!! ETA is Saturday, 6/30.
The order from Hell may finally arrive -- a mere 7 weeks past the original ETA.
The order from Hell may finally arrive -- a mere 7 weeks past the original ETA.
JonAngry
57
Jun 26, 2018
Well if you wanted it this Friday you should have moved from Seattle to Philadelphia after ordering it. That's what I did.
ryanspeck
3
Jun 27, 2018
JonAngryI just want my package in a reasonable amount of time, not to punish myself for the rest of my life.
saturnfreeway
12
Jun 13, 2018
Well, now we know that the AP60 Pro is on its way. Got a newsletter about it from Hidizs, it's up on their website and they sent this through Messenger. With an image of the AP80 and maybe just a tad too excited for us who've actually bought the device and have been waiting with hardly any communication... But I have a feeling it will be worth the wait and the money.
saturnfreeway
12
Jun 14, 2018
That's the AP80, touchscreen with Hiby OS, coming out at the end of the month I believe https://ap80.hidizs.net
jotry
47
Jun 17, 2018
saturnfreewayYou know. This is the final nail in the coffin. I'm not going to be selling mine and swearing off all Hidizs products without trying it, but if they can't take the time away from promotion to apologize for their lackluster communications, and a promise to do better in the future, I don't want to buy from them in the future. Such a company doesn't deserve high consideration from me to part with my money if they can't even correct something so simple and fundamental as communication.
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