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Knifemaker Brad Zinker is best known for his slim and striking knives, most notably the Urban Trapper. Zinker’s designs put emphasis on ease of carry, slender form factor, and utility Read More
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Omniseed
1972
May 6, 2018
These Massdrop collaborations are only generating the interest they do because they are made by WE.
If they were forty bucks cheaper but made by Boker, I might have one or two of them.
Because they are reasonably priced full-quality WE knives, I have an example of each, except the Perpetua because it looked like I would only use it as a work knife, and I work in a lot of gritty, sandy, dusty, concrete-y environments. I've got working knives for that arena already.
If they were forty bucks cheaper but made by Boker, I might have one or two of them.
Because they are reasonably priced full-quality WE knives, I have an example of each, except the Perpetua because it looked like I would only use it as a work knife, and I work in a lot of gritty, sandy, dusty, concrete-y environments. I've got working knives for that arena already.
JonasHeineman
5987
Apr 30, 2018
Hey everyone,
We became familiar with Brad's designs through his Urban Trapper and FR models that were popular in the Blades and EDC communities. Based on the strong sales of the regular production versions, we worked with Boker to make some exclusive versions of these available on Massdrop, with anodized liners and steel upgraded to S35VN.
When I saw the custom version of this knife on his table at the 2017 USN Gathering, I loved the teardrop handle and wharncliffe blade right away, and I had a feeling the community would like these new designs from Brad as well. We had an idea of what steel and colors would suit Brad's designs and be popular with members, and we knew that WE Knife would be true to Brad's design in executing the production.
We made only a few changes from his original design: We reversed the compound grind on the bevel - instead of the blade being thicker at the tip, we made it thicker near the choil; this made sense for a knife that's designed for EDC and not hard use, as it gives a bit more strength near the handle for cutting or shaving harder materials, but keeps the tip slender for piercing tape and boxes or making precise cuts. We also were able to give this a lockbar insert, which are not featured on Brad's custom knives. And, based on member feedback and our own experience carrying the Urban Trapper, we rounded the corner of the flipper tab slightly so that it would be more comfortable during repeated opening.
Brad has been great to work with, and we're grateful that he's entrusted Massdrop and WE Knife to make this design available to the community. As with all Massdrop Made knife collaborations, the designer personally reviewed the prototypes to make sure the production was up to his expectations.
A few notes on this drop:
* The drop will be live at 6:00am PT on Tuesday, May 1st. The price will be $119.99 (shipped to US addresses). * The drop is limited to 1200 total units, but there are no limits per color. * Each piece will be serialized, starting from 0001 on each color. Serial numbers will begin with color codes: G for Gray, L for Blue, K for Black. * Gray = stonewashed handle and blade. Black = PVD coated + stonewashed handle and blade. Blue = anodized + oil sealed handle with satin finish blade.
Thanks for checking out the drop and making it possible!
Carry On -- Jonas
We became familiar with Brad's designs through his Urban Trapper and FR models that were popular in the Blades and EDC communities. Based on the strong sales of the regular production versions, we worked with Boker to make some exclusive versions of these available on Massdrop, with anodized liners and steel upgraded to S35VN.
When I saw the custom version of this knife on his table at the 2017 USN Gathering, I loved the teardrop handle and wharncliffe blade right away, and I had a feeling the community would like these new designs from Brad as well. We had an idea of what steel and colors would suit Brad's designs and be popular with members, and we knew that WE Knife would be true to Brad's design in executing the production.
We made only a few changes from his original design: We reversed the compound grind on the bevel - instead of the blade being thicker at the tip, we made it thicker near the choil; this made sense for a knife that's designed for EDC and not hard use, as it gives a bit more strength near the handle for cutting or shaving harder materials, but keeps the tip slender for piercing tape and boxes or making precise cuts. We also were able to give this a lockbar insert, which are not featured on Brad's custom knives. And, based on member feedback and our own experience carrying the Urban Trapper, we rounded the corner of the flipper tab slightly so that it would be more comfortable during repeated opening.
Brad has been great to work with, and we're grateful that he's entrusted Massdrop and WE Knife to make this design available to the community. As with all Massdrop Made knife collaborations, the designer personally reviewed the prototypes to make sure the production was up to his expectations.
A few notes on this drop:
* The drop will be live at 6:00am PT on Tuesday, May 1st. The price will be $119.99 (shipped to US addresses). * The drop is limited to 1200 total units, but there are no limits per color. * Each piece will be serialized, starting from 0001 on each color. Serial numbers will begin with color codes: G for Gray, L for Blue, K for Black. * Gray = stonewashed handle and blade. Black = PVD coated + stonewashed handle and blade. Blue = anodized + oil sealed handle with satin finish blade.
Thanks for checking out the drop and making it possible!
Carry On -- Jonas
jscrub
May 26, 2018
JonasHeinemanwho is supplying the steel for the handles or the blanks for the blades? do you have information on your raw material suppliers you can share with the community so we know massdrop is not using unfair labor and abusing human rights for inexpensive raw materials?
Omniseed
1972
May 26, 2018
jscrubThe maker is WE Knife Co, look them up. The steel is made by Crucible Powder Metallurgy, I think it's produced in New York.
Jlhenry55
99
Apr 30, 2018
Deep carry clip and rh carry only. Hard pass for me. Looks nice if it works for you though.
JonasHeineman
5987
May 1, 2018
If you're willing to pay $400 for one, I'm sure we could make lefty versions of almost anything. I will give Tim a call and see what % of lefties they sell, that would be a helpful data point. For this one, it's just an issue of the skeletonized frame leaving no surface to mount the clip. Whenever possible, we do make the clips reversible. Thanks for your understanding. We've been producing knives for less than a year, so there's definitely still room to grow in this area.
Omniseed
1972
May 2, 2018
JonasHeinemanKizer did the Gemini as a lefty, and it's a super popular model as well.
Apparently those monsters just discontinued the Envoy, that might be another good choice for a drop in the near future.
Apparently those monsters just discontinued the Envoy, that might be another good choice for a drop in the near future.
RayF
22220
May 12, 2018
You know, the problem with knives like this--ones with so many holes in the handle--well the things is, if you accidentally drop it in a stream, or a lake sometime, it's gonna sink right to the bottom.
mhwolf
65
May 19, 2018
I went along with Massdrop and felt ok for We Knife (Chinese) to be involved with Bob Terzuola on a one time basis. I did not realize that Massdrop is taking as many master knife makers as possible and paying them to sell out to We Knife more often than not. This is disappointing, and I am unsubscribing to Massdrop. Made in China should be an exception to the rule, which is what I thought when I moved to purchase Terzuola's CTF. Let me know when you offer me something made here. America First, stop patronizing our great knife makers.
Omniseed
1972
Sep 28, 2018
There's no bait and switch with this drop, or any other.
Because of the way Massdrop operates there have been a couple of instances where they did a drop for a product that had been recently revised, and the drop had the previous version's details in the specifications section. The notable one was the Native 5 about six months ago, when there were still plenty of S35VN models available and everyone (including Massdrop) was caught by surprise when they received the newer S30V Native 5.
Some people weren't happy with the way they shipped the orders and then retroactively tried to make it right with people who were only interested in an S35VN iteration.
Then there's the Terzuola CTF, which ended up shipping with antiqued bronze hardware where the drop photos all indicated antiqued bronze liners and clip, with a much brighter and warmer bronze for the thumbdisk, the pivot, and possibly the single handle screw. The shade of G10 that were delivered for the tan and green models also turned out to be noticeably darker than the drop photos, though they are still exactly as described.
That irritated me at first, but on receiving the knife I feel like I overreacted and mine (in tan) looks great, carries well, and gives me like seven ways to open it, which is what I wanted. Others may not be as sardonically content as I am though, and some people still want to return theirs. Some people also have called it a 'downgrade', which I believe is unfair and not an accurate reflection of the circumstances which brought us here.
They have had a consistent approach with subdued and antiqued bronze finishes, and I think we should have expected the final product to have the same finish across all of the hardware elements. Being so involved in the discussion boards, I feel like I made a mistake by failing to ask them about the difference in hardware finishes shown in the drop photos, and I should have realized that the prototypes' mix of antiqued and shiny bronze finishes would be changed to a consistent look for the final product.
They also accidentally sent WE a glyph-only image file for the engraved Terzuola logo, and it wasn't caught until after the knives were finished. Because WE does damn near everything perfectly, the logo they received first was sized the same as the intended glyph+Terzuola lettering logo, leaving no room to add the lettering. Some people were far more upset about the missing Terzuola than the hardware, even going as far as to accuse Massdrop of cutting Bob Terzuola out of the deal while stealing his design and glyph logo. That is unreasonable as hell as far as I'm concerned.
Also I think the clean look of the dragon head glyph is perfect and if anything, means that this run may be worth more than future runs because of the well-done but ultimately misprinted logo. Now the serialized first run also has a unique version of the logo. Not intentionally, but so be it.
Because of the way Massdrop operates there have been a couple of instances where they did a drop for a product that had been recently revised, and the drop had the previous version's details in the specifications section. The notable one was the Native 5 about six months ago, when there were still plenty of S35VN models available and everyone (including Massdrop) was caught by surprise when they received the newer S30V Native 5.
Some people weren't happy with the way they shipped the orders and then retroactively tried to make it right with people who were only interested in an S35VN iteration.
Then there's the Terzuola CTF, which ended up shipping with antiqued bronze hardware where the drop photos all indicated antiqued bronze liners and clip, with a much brighter and warmer bronze for the thumbdisk, the pivot, and possibly the single handle screw. The shade of G10 that were delivered for the tan and green models also turned out to be noticeably darker than the drop photos, though they are still exactly as described.
That irritated me at first, but on receiving the knife I feel like I overreacted and mine (in tan) looks great, carries well, and gives me like seven ways to open it, which is what I wanted. Others may not be as sardonically content as I am though, and some people still want to return theirs. Some people also have called it a 'downgrade', which I believe is unfair and not an accurate reflection of the circumstances which brought us here.
They have had a consistent approach with subdued and antiqued bronze finishes, and I think we should have expected the final product to have the same finish across all of the hardware elements. Being so involved in the discussion boards, I feel like I made a mistake by failing to ask them about the difference in hardware finishes shown in the drop photos, and I should have realized that the prototypes' mix of antiqued and shiny bronze finishes would be changed to a consistent look for the final product.
They also accidentally sent WE a glyph-only image file for the engraved Terzuola logo, and it wasn't caught until after the knives were finished. Because WE does damn near everything perfectly, the logo they received first was sized the same as the intended glyph+Terzuola lettering logo, leaving no room to add the lettering. Some people were far more upset about the missing Terzuola than the hardware, even going as far as to accuse Massdrop of cutting Bob Terzuola out of the deal while stealing his design and glyph logo. That is unreasonable as hell as far as I'm concerned.
Also I think the clean look of the dragon head glyph is perfect and if anything, means that this run may be worth more than future runs because of the well-done but ultimately misprinted logo. Now the serialized first run also has a unique version of the logo. Not intentionally, but so be it.
Thorn74
167
Sep 28, 2018
OmniseedI was aware of the native 5 blue box issue, I got the maxamet in that one. That was pretty well documented as a Spyderco issue and not MDs fault. The terzola stuff I was not privy too.
I think the community need to take a deep breath before jumping to 11 and screaming scam/fraud/foul.....MD is pretty up front about wait times and trying to make things right. Give them a chance to make thinks right when they go wrong, and be realistic about your expectations. Keep the pitchforks and torches to a minimum.
I think the community need to take a deep breath before jumping to 11 and screaming scam/fraud/foul.....MD is pretty up front about wait times and trying to make things right. Give them a chance to make thinks right when they go wrong, and be realistic about your expectations. Keep the pitchforks and torches to a minimum.
JaleesaG
1550
Marketing Team
Aug 17, 2018
Hi everyone,
Production is well underway for your Massdrop x Brad Zinker Dogtooth Frame Lock Knives and we’re super excited to share the latest production images we just received:
Azad
72
May 1, 2018
Again, no left hand clip option. At this point I think it's just pure laziness. Stop giving the same excuses, it's wearing thin. No one is asking for a left handed version, we're just asking for a left mounted clip. It can be done, it has been done and yes we'd buy it if it was available. Thank God for Spyderco and ZT knives.
SimonL
10
May 1, 2018
AzadAll the Massdrop x Ferrum Forge collabs have the option to mount the clip on the left side, so what do you mean by " At this point I think it's just pure laziness "? If you take a good look at the design you will see there is no room for a pocketclip on the left side. Of course they could have taken the liberty to change the design to get the lefty clip option, BUT that would mean two holes on the left side of the handle would have to go. That would make the design look objectively worse and I'm pretty sure Brad Zinker would not agree to such a change of his design.
ASpatha
76
Apr 30, 2018
Dam that's a nice looking knife. who's leg to I have to hump to get one lefty. It really seems like every colab is right hand only. It's getting to the point that I've been skipping opening the colab emails. Make a guy wonder how hard it would be to flip the cad drawing and get the cnc to spit out a reverse.
Marriedinorlando
148
May 8, 2018
Fair enough and I think most of us lefties totally get the limitations. I happen to completely agree that having reversible clip holes on a knife like this would mess up the aesthetics. I’m still undecided about this one only given the Made in China aspect. The vast majority of my collection is now Made in America.
JonasO
197
May 8, 2018
TLDR: Skeletized ambi is not hard to do. Get your design briefs right.
If you can't aesthetically add two holes to a design that is already riddled with holes, there are two reasons I can think of: You forgot to include the requirement for 13.5% demographic or just didn't care because you decided to discriminate against 13.5% of a demographic. Either reason is unacceptable in this day and age.
I'm a design engineer and I know what goes into large scale engineering projects, and if all you've got is "it's not that easy", it means you forgot to add the bullet point "make clip position ambidextrous" to the original design brief and now your tooling is already ordered, your CNC programs are already approved and the order book is already filled and the balance sheet just can't take any changes at this point. That is some pretty #weaksauce right there.
Sorry about the harsh words, hopefully you'll take them the right way and don't feel personally attacked; all I wan't is to be part of the customer base. Missing out on beautiful knives like this is infuriating.
If you can't aesthetically add two holes to a design that is already riddled with holes, there are two reasons I can think of: You forgot to include the requirement for 13.5% demographic or just didn't care because you decided to discriminate against 13.5% of a demographic. Either reason is unacceptable in this day and age.
I'm a design engineer and I know what goes into large scale engineering projects, and if all you've got is "it's not that easy", it means you forgot to add the bullet point "make clip position ambidextrous" to the original design brief and now your tooling is already ordered, your CNC programs are already approved and the order book is already filled and the balance sheet just can't take any changes at this point. That is some pretty #weaksauce right there.
Sorry about the harsh words, hopefully you'll take them the right way and don't feel personally attacked; all I wan't is to be part of the customer base. Missing out on beautiful knives like this is infuriating.
Omniseed
1972
May 26, 2018
Oh, I guess I should have read further along, you're just a bigot taken in by silly ass yellow menace propaganda.
Bluearcflash
8
May 26, 2018
OmniseedWell, at least the self righteous moron troll showed up. Now the thread is official. I don’t really need a sympathy idiot telling me about the difference in quality and price. I’ve had knives from both and US made trumps chinese mystery “quality” every time.
DaneFuller
14
Oct 5, 2018
DaneFuller
14
Oct 22, 2018
Agreed. Alot of ways to fix it. The clip isn't really a big deal, but the cutout is the main problem. Looks like they are making a liner lock, that will of course fix it too, I really like the looks of the carbon fiber one, I bet it feels great.
Kavik
5531
Nov 24, 2018
That picture pains me a bit lol
Would you like it re-anodized?
I'd be happy to do the whole knife back to the stock blue for you if you just pay shipping
The part you sanded will still have a slightly different color, since i don't have a media blaster to make the finish match either, but it would be a heck of a lot less noticeable than raw titanium lol
And it would clean up the other scratches at the same time
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